Is this baby snake coiled up outside a gopher snake or a rattler?

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Oren

heh heh..... the double barrel polka! ;)

nb
Bill Dance gets a snake on his neck from the tree.

"Bill hangs his lure up real good in a tree and while he is trying to
get it loose, a snake falls out of the tree right on top of him and he
almost has a heart attack."

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notbob

"Bill hangs his lure up real good in a tree and while he is trying to
get it loose, a snake falls out of the tree right on top of him and he
almost has a heart attack."
I bet from that time on, he jes cut the line and said, "screw it!"
(or left a lackey to retrieve it) ;)

nb
 
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DD_BobK

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Danny D

And you still want to play around with one?
Just to be clear, I have no intention of 'playing' with a rattler.
My only goal was to identify it, capture it, and relocate it.
Safely.
 
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Danny D

from the shallow end of the gene pool
I was embarrassed for the people who posted that video,
but, it *was* interesting to see the headless snake make
that all-too-familiar sudden lunge toward the people
tugging on the tail at the 1:14 time point.

That's great reflexes!
 
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Danny D

Can you tell if it's a rattler or a gopher snake?
They identified it as a young Northern Pacific Rattlesnake
by numerous PhDs in the field. All concurred.
 
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Danny D

They identified it as a young Northern Pacific Rattlesnake
by numerous PhDs in the field. All concurred.
Here's a better description based only on the photo:

Andrew Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
You can tell that it is a rattler (Northern Pacific rattlesnake)
by the head shape ("chunky" with steep vertical surfaces);dark/light
band through the eye; stout body; pronounced, keeled scales that
are not shiny; and dorsal color pattern made up of dark-margined
blotches on a lighter background. These snakes are essentially
sit-and-wait predators that seek out good places to ambush prey
(fallen trees, rock ledges, walls, etc).
 
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Oren

They identified it as a young Northern Pacific Rattlesnake
by numerous PhDs in the field. All concurred.
"General Description: Northern Pacific Rattlesnakes (Crotalus oreganus
oreganus) are medium-sized, heavy-bodied snakes with broad,
triangular-shaped heads and rattles on the tail. The dorsal pattern is
variable, but the ground color usually is tan, aging to dark. Dorsal
blotches are brown with dark, irregular borders, and the blotches are
wider than the spaces between them. Two irregular rows of small, dark
blotches on the sides. Dark and light tail rings well defined, each of
uniform width; dark rings grade to black towards the rattle.

Taxonomy: Pit Vipers Family (Viperidae). Formerly a subspecies of the
Western Rattlesnake (Crotalus viridus).

Where to Find: Don't look for Northern Pacific Rattlesnakes around Las
Vegas. Rather, look for them in central and northern California and
western Oregon.

Special Remarks: Venomous."

Great photos:

<http://www.birdandhike.com/Wildlife/Snake/Cro_ore_ore/_Cro_ore_o.htm>

BTW, the snake was on the sunny side of your house. Being cold-blooded
creatures, they seek warmth.

Snakes that are lethargic, may not strike, but they can. The
Cottonmouth I encountered, inches from my face was lethargic. He was
coiled, still raised his head, ready to strike when he got blasted.
 
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Oren

I think my little baby northern pacific rattlesnake was only
interested in getting away from me. Sort of like what Bob is
always trying to do! :)
I don't know why you think this was a "baby". It looked much larger
in the photo, to me.

For example; cottonmouth moccasins, when full grown are maybe ~22 -24
inches. Those are big. Short, fat, thick bodies.
BTW, here's another article on relocation; this one doesn't
paint such a bright prospect, but, I think most people think
of relocation as greater than 500 yards.
http://www.nationalparkstraveler.co...ake-great-basin-inquiring-minds-want-know4413
Rattlesnake Chili

<http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-fight/rattlesnake-chili-recipe/index.html>
 
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Oren

I think it was a "northern pacific rattlesnake" since that's the
key rattler common to the Santa Cruz mountains.

It's apparently not pretty getting bitten by one:
http://www.rattlesnakebite.org/rattlesnakepics.htm
Show that to the "kids". Teach them to stay away for safety reasons.
And, to identify them. A snake bite kit would be handy in your
location.

See that right there boy?!! That snake can kill you. Now get back to
the house and tell your momma she needs you.
 
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Danny D

Show that to the "kids".
It would scare the daylights out of any kid!

Turns out, two of my neighbors spent time in the hospital
recently due to snake bites, both reputedly from Northern
Pacific Rattlers (which are apparently the only rattler
that frequents these hills).

I spoke to both by phone this week because they had
written back on our neighborhood alias that the snake
was the same species that bit them.

So, within two miles of my house, two people in the
past four years have been bitten by rattlers; and
that's just the ones who responded within the
neighborhood alias.

Wow. It's more prevalent than I had thought.
Always a lesson to be learned.

PS: Maybe I flushed him out when I cleaned up all
the animal dens when I cleared out the brush just
fifty feet away from where he was found?
 
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Oren

It would scare the daylights out of any kid!
Lame excuse, Danny. Will you always protect them and be there for
comfort? Tell them the truth and show it.
Turns out, two of my neighbors spent time in the hospital
recently due to snake bites, both reputedly from Northern
Pacific Rattlers (which are apparently the only rattler
that frequents these hills).

I spoke to both by phone this week because they had
written back on our neighborhood alias that the snake
was the same species that bit them.

So, within two miles of my house, two people in the
past four years have been bitten by rattlers; and
that's just the ones who responded within the
neighborhood alias.

Wow. It's more prevalent than I had thought.
Always a lesson to be learned.
Oh jeez. You want to mess around with a viper. Now know, the stories?

.... kick the wrong dog one time
PS: Maybe I flushed him out when I cleaned up all
the animal dens when I cleared out the brush just
fifty feet away from where he was found?
I said that, plus, the rats in your pool heater area. The snakes came
to eat dinner.
 
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Danny D

I don't know why you think this was a "baby".
Well, I don't know the age. Babies are apparently born in
October, so, it was at least 6 months old. I "assumed" it
was a juvenile based on the tiny rattle; but I could
(easily) be wrong.
 
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Danny D

plus, the rats in your pool heater area.
The snakes came to eat dinner.
Understood.

Apparently the Northern Pacific rattler is an ambush
predator, where the young predate on lizards while the
adults enjoy the mammals and quail (of which I have
plenty of bunnies, rats/mice, and assorted gophers
for them to dine upon).
 
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Oren

I "assumed" it
was a juvenile based on the tiny rattle; but I could
(easily) be wrong.
Age of a snake is not determined by counting button rattlers.

Do not follow that notion for certainty.
 

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