toilet flush valves

Discussion in 'Misc DIY' started by Frank Boettcher, Nov 30, 2005.

  1. Well I'm tired of both wasting water and changing toilet flush valves.
    with three toilets in the house, seems like I always have one leaking
    None that I've ever tried give long, trouble free service, without
    developing leaks between the seat and flapper. Admittedly, I normally
    get them at the local big box home center and they might not carry the
    best of the best. But I would pay three times as much for quality.

    So, any recommendations.

    Frank
     
    Frank Boettcher, Nov 30, 2005
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    Mark Guest

    I have the same problem.

    I think these valves must be the biggest waster of waterin the country.

    Most people don't even notice the problem.

    Mark
     
    Mark, Nov 30, 2005
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  3. Yes, the flush valve. Fill valves can become troublesome too and are
    not of that high a quality, but they can be dealt with easier. It is
    a PITA to change a flush valve
    Done that, seats are clean and the flappers works completely free on
    the two that are currently leaking. can't feel or see any nicks or
    deposits on either the seat or flapper. One was replaced just five
    months ago. Had the toilet off when I was installing a new tile
    floor, thought I'd take advantage of the opportunity to put all new
    stuff in the toilet.
    An earlier responder commented that leaking flush valves are the
    biggest wasters of water there is. I agree. Most local codes now
    require water conserving toilets. Many of them don't work very well
    so people double flush thus wasting more water. If the Gov. wanted to
    really have a common sense water conservation effort, they would just
    mandate improvements to the flush valves and that would save a
    tremendous amount of water.

    Water in my area is not particularly hard. However, I wonder if the
    leaks are caused by mineral deposits I cannot feel or see. Would it
    hurt to pour a bottle of vinegar in the tank and let it sit for a
    while. Anyone ever try this.
     
    Frank Boettcher, Nov 30, 2005
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    tadamsmar Guest

    I assume you mean the flapper.

    I have switched over to "leak sentry" valves that I buy at Home Depot.
    They
    prevent the toilet from refilling if the flapper is leaking. But they
    are harder to
    adjust since the flush lever has two chains to pull.

    The flappers seem to wear out fast.

    Are you talking about a new flapper leaking or just the the hassle of
    the slow leak
    past the flapper when it wears out or get scummed up?

    You can test with blue food coloring in the tank to detect a slow leak
    to
    the bowl. Or some hardware stores have leak detect tablets for free.
     
    tadamsmar, Nov 30, 2005
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  5. Strange, I have only two toilets but they have
    last over 5 years between changes. I always clean
    the seat very well. I remember buying two 99 cent
    flappers, I think the last one I bought was about
    $1.50. Some time back I did buy one of the new
    improved type for about $3.50. I couldn't get it
    to seat and bought the 99 cent kind. The new
    improved one is still on a shelf in the garage.

    My new toilet and the newly reinstalled old toilet
    (after new floors) are going on 4 years with no
    problems.

    Do you put anything in the tank, like the blue
    cake or whatever? If you do, then same on you,
    that's your problem.

    Changing the flapper is a pita because you have to
    go buy a new flapper and unless you have done it
    before you can be sure of getting a flapper that
    fits and may have to go back and buy a new one.
    (that's mostly sarcasm) Of course installing it
    takes about 10 minutes if you are really slow and
    most of that time involves cleaning the tank and
    flapper seat and in tying the flapper to the flush
    handle. Nowadays, I always throw away any chain
    or whatever and just use heavy fish line. Took me
    about 15 years to learn that with numerous chain
    hang ups etc.

    On my original two commodes, in 28 years, I think
    I have bought 5 or 6 flappers, repaired 1 fill
    valve once, and bought 2 new fill valves.
     
    George E. Cawthon, Nov 30, 2005
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    My apartment complex installed low-flow flapperless toilets;they work very
    well.Google for "flapperless toilet" and you can find out more about them.
     
    Jim Yanik, Dec 1, 2005
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    mm Guest

    Do you use 1000 Flushes, or something like that. I bought three, put
    them in all the toilets, and they all started leaking within 3 months,
    with black residue in the bowl. I sent them everything and they
    refunded my money and paid for 3 flappers and postage.

    Thgat was 20 years ago. maybe they improved the formula by now, or
    not.

    Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
    me know if you have posted also.
     
    mm, Dec 1, 2005
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    ds549 Guest

    ds549, Dec 1, 2005
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  9. Thanks to all responders.

    No we don't use any additives in the tanks.

    And it is not changing the flapper that is the PITA as one responder
    commented on. it is when you change the flapper and it still leaks,
    then you have to change the valve seat. that is a PITA. or put in one
    of those seat inserts which I've tried with limited success.

    I'll look into the flapperless design, thanks Jim.

    I think some people don't even know that they are leaking. One of my
    three has a super quiet fill valve. I can see the leak but the
    extremely small flow down the side of the toilet bowl, however it
    never makes any noise when refilling. The other one that is currently
    leaking opens the fill valve with great fanfare every hour or so and
    dumps in a pint. I also think most people just live with it because
    they don't know what to do. I know that whenever I visit relatives
    their toilets are doing the same thing and I usually get to fix them.

    Frank
     
    Frank Boettcher, Dec 1, 2005
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