toilet flush valves


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Frank Boettcher

Well I'm tired of both wasting water and changing toilet flush valves.
with three toilets in the house, seems like I always have one leaking
None that I've ever tried give long, trouble free service, without
developing leaks between the seat and flapper. Admittedly, I normally
get them at the local big box home center and they might not carry the
best of the best. But I would pay three times as much for quality.

So, any recommendations.

Frank
 
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Mark

Frank said:
Well I'm tired of both wasting water and changing toilet flush valves.
with three toilets in the house, seems like I always have one leaking
None that I've ever tried give long, trouble free service, without
developing leaks between the seat and flapper. Admittedly, I normally
get them at the local big box home center and they might not carry the
best of the best. But I would pay three times as much for quality.

So, any recommendations.

Frank
I have the same problem.

I think these valves must be the biggest waster of waterin the country.

Most people don't even notice the problem.

Mark
 
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Frank Boettcher

To some extent your local water can cause problems.

Which valve are you talking about. The one that controls the water
leaving the tank or the one controlling the water coming into the tank?
Yes, the flush valve. Fill valves can become troublesome too and are
not of that high a quality, but they can be dealt with easier. It is
a PITA to change a flush valve
I am going to guess it is the flapper controlling the water leaving the
tank. There are a couple of not uncommon issues. First the seat (the one
the flapper sits in when it is shutting off the water) needs to be clean and
smooth. Next watch the action carefully. Is anything hanging up the
action of the action?
Done that, seats are clean and the flappers works completely free on
the two that are currently leaking. can't feel or see any nicks or
deposits on either the seat or flapper. One was replaced just five
months ago. Had the toilet off when I was installing a new tile
floor, thought I'd take advantage of the opportunity to put all new
stuff in the toilet.
If it is the inlet valve, I would suspect the float first. Make sure it
is functioning without any problems, not rubbing on anything etc. You may
want to replace the whole inlet assemble.

Note: Some toilets have come with defective design parts. There may
be an updated replacement for it. Try contracting the manufacturer or an
experienced plumber in your area.
An earlier responder commented that leaking flush valves are the
biggest wasters of water there is. I agree. Most local codes now
require water conserving toilets. Many of them don't work very well
so people double flush thus wasting more water. If the Gov. wanted to
really have a common sense water conservation effort, they would just
mandate improvements to the flush valves and that would save a
tremendous amount of water.

Water in my area is not particularly hard. However, I wonder if the
leaks are caused by mineral deposits I cannot feel or see. Would it
hurt to pour a bottle of vinegar in the tank and let it sit for a
while. Anyone ever try this.
 
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tadamsmar

Frank said:
Yes, the flush valve. Fill valves can become troublesome too and are
not of that high a quality, but they can be dealt with easier. It is
a PITA to change a flush valve


Done that, seats are clean and the flappers works completely free on
the two that are currently leaking. can't feel or see any nicks or
deposits on either the seat or flapper. One was replaced just five
months ago. Had the toilet off when I was installing a new tile
floor, thought I'd take advantage of the opportunity to put all new
stuff in the toilet.
I assume you mean the flapper.

I have switched over to "leak sentry" valves that I buy at Home Depot.
They
prevent the toilet from refilling if the flapper is leaking. But they
are harder to
adjust since the flush lever has two chains to pull.

The flappers seem to wear out fast.

Are you talking about a new flapper leaking or just the the hassle of
the slow leak
past the flapper when it wears out or get scummed up?

You can test with blue food coloring in the tank to detect a slow leak
to
the bowl. Or some hardware stores have leak detect tablets for free.
 
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George E. Cawthon

Frank said:
Well I'm tired of both wasting water and changing toilet flush valves.
with three toilets in the house, seems like I always have one leaking
None that I've ever tried give long, trouble free service, without
developing leaks between the seat and flapper. Admittedly, I normally
get them at the local big box home center and they might not carry the
best of the best. But I would pay three times as much for quality.

So, any recommendations.

Frank
Strange, I have only two toilets but they have
last over 5 years between changes. I always clean
the seat very well. I remember buying two 99 cent
flappers, I think the last one I bought was about
$1.50. Some time back I did buy one of the new
improved type for about $3.50. I couldn't get it
to seat and bought the 99 cent kind. The new
improved one is still on a shelf in the garage.

My new toilet and the newly reinstalled old toilet
(after new floors) are going on 4 years with no
problems.

Do you put anything in the tank, like the blue
cake or whatever? If you do, then same on you,
that's your problem.

Changing the flapper is a pita because you have to
go buy a new flapper and unless you have done it
before you can be sure of getting a flapper that
fits and may have to go back and buy a new one.
(that's mostly sarcasm) Of course installing it
takes about 10 minutes if you are really slow and
most of that time involves cleaning the tank and
flapper seat and in tying the flapper to the flush
handle. Nowadays, I always throw away any chain
or whatever and just use heavy fish line. Took me
about 15 years to learn that with numerous chain
hang ups etc.

On my original two commodes, in 28 years, I think
I have bought 5 or 6 flappers, repaired 1 fill
valve once, and bought 2 new fill valves.
 
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Jim Yanik

Well I'm tired of both wasting water and changing toilet flush valves.
with three toilets in the house, seems like I always have one leaking
None that I've ever tried give long, trouble free service, without
developing leaks between the seat and flapper. Admittedly, I normally
get them at the local big box home center and they might not carry the
best of the best. But I would pay three times as much for quality.

So, any recommendations.

Frank
My apartment complex installed low-flow flapperless toilets;they work very
well.Google for "flapperless toilet" and you can find out more about them.
 
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mm

Well I'm tired of both wasting water and changing toilet flush valves.
with three toilets in the house, seems like I always have one leaking
None that I've ever tried give long, trouble free service, without
developing leaks between the seat and flapper. Admittedly, I normally
Do you use 1000 Flushes, or something like that. I bought three, put
them in all the toilets, and they all started leaking within 3 months,
with black residue in the bowl. I sent them everything and they
refunded my money and paid for 3 flappers and postage.

Thgat was 20 years ago. maybe they improved the formula by now, or
not.
get them at the local big box home center and they might not carry the
best of the best. But I would pay three times as much for quality.

So, any recommendations.

Frank

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.
 
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Frank Boettcher

mm wrote:
..

That is a good point and maybe the answer. Those in the tank cleaners
have caused a lot of problems including flush valve problems. That would
explain the short life the OP has reported. I hope Frank reports back to
let us know if he has been using this junk.

Thanks to all responders.

No we don't use any additives in the tanks.

And it is not changing the flapper that is the PITA as one responder
commented on. it is when you change the flapper and it still leaks,
then you have to change the valve seat. that is a PITA. or put in one
of those seat inserts which I've tried with limited success.

I'll look into the flapperless design, thanks Jim.

I think some people don't even know that they are leaking. One of my
three has a super quiet fill valve. I can see the leak but the
extremely small flow down the side of the toilet bowl, however it
never makes any noise when refilling. The other one that is currently
leaking opens the fill valve with great fanfare every hour or so and
dumps in a pint. I also think most people just live with it because
they don't know what to do. I know that whenever I visit relatives
their toilets are doing the same thing and I usually get to fix them.

Frank
 

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