staining old siding

[Joe (archive)]

I need to stain my house, built 30 years ago and sided with what appears to be a cedar laminate. Looking for general advice on any and all aspects. the previous owner appears to have used a solid stain, nearly black, which is ugly as can be. So I will have to go with a solid oil stain, but I want to end with a much lighter brown, closer to natural wood color. I presume I will need 2 good coats. I would like to pressure wash for prep, though I'm not married to the idea. The siding is weathered in a few spots where I know I will have to be very careful with the PW, I will probably avoid those areas completely. A bigger concern is that water will get behind the siding and wet the insulation. I dont know if this is a valid concern or not.

I have an odd, "staggered" (for lack of a better word) A-frame where (on one side only) the rear half of the house has a 1-2 foot tall section of siding that extends all the way to the peak. How can I safely paint this section from the very steep roof?

My house has much sun (and wind, and snow..) exposure on 3 sides. I will only be living here for 2-4 more years and I dont want to stain again. Nor do I want to spend more than I have to. Is Pittsburg Ultra a good choice for stain, or is there something better in the $20/gal range?

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

"Szaki" wrote:

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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>> >> I have a BestTest .0005" dial indicator, face came loose, swivels ...

I

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>> >> Don't know how, without damaging it.
>> >> Any idea?
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>> > Suggest place it onto a concrete floor, and then repeatedly grind it
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>> > That, or maybe consider selling it on Ebay--which, (perchance) is
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keep

> personal tools that are classed as fixed or movable gaging

equipment--its

> one of the very few causes for dismissal.
> SVL

What kind of precision tools do you make in your shop, that you need such

a

tight control?

Helicopter parts, maybe ???

Do you have to use climet/tempreture control?

Hmmm...ya got any other utterly moronic questions ???

 

[Szaki]

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> >> >> side. Every time I turn the face to zero it, indicator needle
> >> >> jumps.
> >> >> I think some screws came loose under the face. How can I get to it? I
> >> > don't
> >> >> see any access to it, other than popping the clear plastic off.
> >> >> Don't know how, without damaging it.
> >> >> Any idea?
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> >> > Suggest place it onto a concrete floor, and then repeatedly grind it ...

***Toy helicopters, precision man?

> Do you have to use climet/tempreture control?

Hmmm...ya got any other utterly moronic questions ???

***Right! You don't even know what I'm talking about, big mouth!
JS

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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Sorry for the crossposting--

Just to show we got us plenty of hacks too, as had I mentioned just a few days ago.
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[Vicki Szaszvari]

What does CNC stand for? For some reason, it sounds familiar...my late father was a precision aerospace machinist, could it be something he ran?

PrecisionMachinisT wrote:

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[PrecisionMachinisT]

"Vicki Szaszvari" wrote:

What does CNC stand for? For some reason, it sounds familiar...my late father was a precision aerospace machinist, could it be something he ran?

Computerised Numerical Control....

We deal with large sums of data these days and that is what actually controls the machine tool's motion....they days of a machinist turning a set of crank-wheels by hand are (sadly) almost passed.

Where you see 3 dimensional molding in plastic, die castings, and what-not--and custom made knee and hip-replacements are probably some of the most vivid examples of today's state of the art.

And gone is the traditional blueprint, as we all generally use computer generated solid models these days.

( Excepting for those starving blacksmiths, I suppose )

 

[Noon-Air]

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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I got a question..... why not spend a coin or 2 and buy some decent instruments in the first place. Personally I am partial to Mitutoyo micrometers and dial verniers but for dial indicators, I like Starrett

 

[pjm]

On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:29:24 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

"Vicki Szaszvari" wrote:

> What does CNC stand for? For some reason, it sounds familiar...my late
> father was a precision aerospace machinist, could it be something he ran?
>

Computerised Numerical Control....

Cool New Cutting thingy.

We deal with large sums of data these days and that is what actually controls the machine tool's motion....they days of a machinist turning a set of crank-wheels by hand are (sadly) almost passed.

Puting old crank-yankers like you out to pasture

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[Mark (archive)]

Hi Joe,
When I painted with a crew what we would have done is bleach the siding first and allow it to dry completely. This kills any mildew which is your biggest enemy. After bleaching you get to see the actual color of the stain that was used. I am not a fan of pressure washing. A saturation coat of stain can be acheived rolling 'up' with a heavy roller knapp, working out of a half full 5 gallon bucket with a wire ramp . A bucket and a brush helps with the cracks and cutting in. A man on the brush and another on the roller with a long pole helps. It's a messy job. Spraying is always a temptation and guarantee's that it will get wet and rot. It just can't fill the holes. Blessings, Mark

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:29:24 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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>"Vicki Szaszvari" wrote:
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>> What does CNC stand for? For some reason, it sounds familiar...my late
>> father was a precision aerospace machinist, could it be something he

ran?

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>Computerised Numerical Control....

Cool New Cutting thingy.

>We deal with large sums of data these days and that is what actually
>controls the machine tool's motion....they days of a machinist turning a

set

>of crank-wheels by hand are (sadly) almost passed.

Puting old crank-yankers like you out to pasture

Hey pal...

Suggest you be careful, unless your sure ya *really* wanna start into yanking on *my* crank...

<G>

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

"BottleBob" wrote:

Noon-Air wrote:
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> I got a question..... why not spend a coin or 2 and buy some decent
> instruments in the first place.

NA:

You don't like Brown & Sharp indicators? My favorite test indicator is a Brown & Sharp 1 1/2" bezel, black face, long stem .0005 indicator. It has .020 travel per revolution whereas most other indicators have .030 travel. Which makes the increments a little larger and easier to see.
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Bob,

You probly shoulda crossposted this otherwise Nooner woulda probly never ever see it...

I'll take that liberty now...

 

[D Murphy]

"Noon-Air" wrote in

I got a question..... why not spend a coin or 2 and buy some decent instruments in the first place. Personally I am partial to Mitutoyo micrometers and dial verniers but for dial indicators, I like Starrett

Starret makes some excellent tools, good tools, and some junk. Unfortunately ,IMO, their dial test indicator falls into the junk catagory.

Compac makes the best DTI, but it can be a bit chunky for machine alignments where you need to be able to get into tight spots. For that type of work I prefer the Brown & Sharpe .00005" BesTest.

The Interapid indicators are also very accurate, very sensitive, and well built but they have to be set at a 12 degree angle in order to get the proper reading. I've checked my ability to eyeball 12 degrees on a surface plate with gage blocks. It's not easy to do with any kind of repeatabilty.

I also have a Mitutoyo .0001" "pocket" indicator that is very slim and can get into places where others can't. This indicator is very accurate but very light so I try to save it for when I really need it. It just doesn't feel like ot would hold up to heavy use. It also doesn't have the dovetails built onto the body so rigging it up can be a challenge.

I like Mitutoyo depending on the model. I have a Quick-Mike that is a pleasure to use. It's not good for tight tolerance work but it's damn handy for everything else. I also have an indicating micrometer from Mitutoyo that is super accurate. The anvils are so flat that when you set it with a gage block the block will wring to the anvils.

 

[BottleBob]

PrecisionMachinisT wrote:

Bob,

You probly shoulda crossposted this otherwise Nooner woulda probly never ever see it...

PM:

Well, if I had known he wasn't posting to a.m.cnc I wouldn't have bothered to reply at all. What need would an air conditioning guy have for indicators, dial calipers, or micrometers?

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

"BottleBob" wrote:

PrecisionMachinisT wrote:
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> Bob,
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> You probly shoulda crossposted this otherwise Nooner woulda probly never
> ever see it...

PM:

Well, if I had known he wasn't posting to a.m.cnc I wouldn't have bothered to reply at all. What need would an air conditioning guy have ...

Bob,

Just that found some of them know quite a bit about such things is all, perhaps having learned it earlier in life while in the military or somesuch..a few likely simply enjoy it as a hobby...many seem to hold a fairly keen interest in manufacturing anyways.

Same as at least a handful of your average machinist type guys know quite a bit more about heating, ventilation and than does your joe sixpak car salesman living out in the burbs.

They are both trades that involve quite a bit of applied physics is all.

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FWIW, he probly had realized that he was posting to both groups, and so Im left wondering why would it matter to you anyways ???

 

[Noon-Air]

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

"BottleBob" wrote:

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> PM:
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well..... if its got moving parts......

Same as at least a handful of your average machinist type guys know quite a bit more about heating, ventilation and than does your joe sixpak car salesman living out in the burbs.

They are both trades that involve quite a bit of applied physics is all.

===

FWIW, he probly had realized that he was posting to both groups, and so Im left wondering why would it matter to you anyways ???

Actually I did know that I was posting to both groups... I was a Journeyman Machinist(got my papers at 19 years old) before I enlisted in the military, did 22 years in the military, then became an HVAC contractor. The only CNC programming I ever did was with punch tape I much prefered short run and prototype stuff.

 

[John (2)]

PrecisionMachinisT wrote:

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Rocket science 101: What goes up must come down unless it goes up fast enough.

John

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

"Noon-Air" wrote:

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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quite

> a
> bit more about heating, ventilation and than does your joe sixpak car
> salesman living out in the burbs.
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> They are both trades that involve quite a bit of applied physics is all.
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> ===
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> FWIW, he probly had realized that he was posting to both groups, and so

Im

> left wondering why would it matter to you anyways ???

Actually I did know that I was posting to both groups... I was a

Journeyman

Machinist(got my papers at 19 years old) before I enlisted in the

military,

did 22 years in the military, then became an HVAC contractor. The only CNC programming I ever did was with punch tape I much prefered short run and prototype stuff.

Steve,

I dont miss having to use punched tape at all

Looking at the bigger picture though, this shows that as trades-people we do often tend to cut each other short.

Glad Im glad to see you step up and help dispel some of that myth.

Its not rocket science--but sometimes it gets pretty damned close.

Cheers,

 

[TURTLE]

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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> On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:29:24 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
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> >"Vicki Szaszvari" wrote:
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> >> What does CNC stand for? For some reason, it sounds familiar...my late
> >> father was a precision aerospace machinist, could it be something he ran?
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This is Turtle.

I think he is hitting on you here. Don't take any offers he gives.

TURTLE

 

[Noon-Air]

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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My parents always taught me to be multi faceted....the more skills and experience you have, the more desirable you will be in business.

Glad Im glad to see you step up and help dispel some of that myth.

Its not rocket science--but sometimes it gets pretty damned close.

Just because as a machinist we know how to make a square peg fit in a round hole..... hmmmm now where did I leave that broach LOL

Cheers,

 

[PrecisionMachinisT]

"TURTLE" wrote:

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

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>> On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:29:24 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
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>> Cool New Cutting thingy.
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a

> set
>> >of crank-wheels by hand are (sadly) almost passed.
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>> Puting old crank-yankers like you out to pasture
>>
>
> Hey pal...
>
> Suggest you be careful, unless your sure ya *really* wanna start into
> yanking on *my* crank...
>

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Turtle,

Advice well taken, perhaps.

All I know is if I have him watch over my beer he might drink some it.

Still whenever I get back there's usually plenty enough left for me.....

So, he watches the beer, while I get to take care of the Virgins !!!

Like you or ( anyone else ), at some point you might have to decide how far you could perhaps throw them should the need ever arise is all.