Did what? Architect? Two sentences and at least three assumptions.George said:Sure there is if the builder did it. If the
architect picked those, he was just nuts,
appearance over function.
Please review that last sentence and resubmit. It's unclear what youThat's right the builder doesn't do those, but
what he does is fit what the buyer/designer wants
into the space available. You can pick all sorts
of fixtures that won't fit in a specific space
without having to go to some really screwy fixture
design or using a design in a place it is not
Who said the fixtures were put in when the building was going up? OrBull. Increasing the space for the fixture is as
simple as adding wood strips to the bottom of the
joists. Even you go to the extreme of maintaining
ceiling height by increasing the joist height, the
cost increase is negligible. Especially in the
types of ceilings that typically have those
fixtures. It would cost a bit more if you went
from standard stud lengths to a bit longer stud,
but you would be stupid to make each stud longer,
you would just add 2x4 or 2x6 plates to get the
Again, how do you know that the wrong decision was made in choosingSure he did, profit margin, inability to convince
the designer/home owner of the inappropriateness
of that design, inability to think up a rational
WHAT mistake?! The OP is kvetching about a fixture that he isNot sure why you want to defend a mistake by the
builder. Builders make mistakes all the time.
Hi,HeyBub said:The solutions for removing broken light-bulb bases are as varied as the
remedies for hiccups. All work to one degree or another.
Before you begin on the list, slather the socket with WD-40.
Rather difficult to respond to a person who is soRicodJour said:Did what? Architect? Two sentences and at least three assumptions.
Please review that last sentence and resubmit. It's unclear what you
are trying to say.
I'm looking at two recessed fixtures right now that are of the same
type that the OP mentions. They're old, have asbestos lining, and they
work. Why are they screwy?
Who said the fixtures were put in when the building was going up? Or
were you assuming that they were added later and the entire ceiling
should have been dropped for a couple of fixtures? You make a lot of
assumptions. The OP gave no information at all on the building, type
of construction, location, nothing at all.
As far as increasing the joist depth and building height for those
fixtures not adding appreciably to the cost, it would affect the
amounts of insulation, wiring, sheathing and siding, drywall,
paint...you get the idea. It would add a boat load of money to the
By the way, adding that extra plate "solution" would be a hack. _That_
is a bad builder's choice. You'd be adding poorly insulated area to
the building, adding a substantial cost, and increasing the amount of
unnecessary "built-in" settlement. But, realistically, as I mentioned
in my previous post, no builder would do that for some recessed lights.
Again, how do you know that the wrong decision was made in choosing
that fixture? Now you're assuming the builder was greedy, unable to
communicate and incompetent. You really have it in for the guy!
Maybe the fixtures are in a ceiling/attic floor - nothing unusual for
that to have been framed with 2x4s not that long ago and trusses
nowadays. If someone put down some sheathing on that attic floor,
something that wasn't intended to have storage, the joist depth would
be insufficient for the recessed fixture. Who made the mistake there?
The guy who designed the house, the guy who added the sheathing, or the
guy who installed the fixtures that fit? It's impossible to tell if it
was a mistake and whose fault it was as we have no information.
WHAT mistake?! The OP is kvetching about a fixture that he is
unfamiliar with. No other information was given other than his guess
that the builder skimped on the depth of the floor joists. I pointed
out that the logic was skewed.
You're assuming that there was a mistake with no supporting
information. I'm old fashioned - I don't like condemning anyone
without some evidence.
In any event, the OP was asking for help on removing a broken bulb
base, and I think he got the what he was seeking. All's well.
Homies has something like this for guess what! Removing broken bulbs. And1. Get a plumbing test plug at the hardware store that will fit into a
light bulb base. They have an expandable rubber housing that is
adjusted with a nut on the top. I'm not sure if they make them that
Epoxy a hex bolt into the lamp base, and use a socket ratchet wrench tokj said:So the socket is *at right angles* from the axis of the housing.
(I'm sorry for not having mentioned this before; I honestly did
not realize that it was such an uncommon design.) Since the housing
is about 3 inches in diameter, there is no room to turn a pair of
pliers around 90 degrees to align it with the horizonal socket.
Hence my blathering about using a flexible shaft attached to a
handheld drill, since otherwise I see no way to exert a torque
around the required axis.
That's what I needed to know. Originally it had look to me likeIn said:Recessed fixtures with horizontal sockets are sometimes used in shallow
depth ceilings as they can fit in a 2x6 space. You need to figure out how to
remove the fixture, then the socket snaps off and would be easy to work on
According to John Grabowski said:I have had good luck shoving the end of a wooden broom handle up into the
light socket and turning counter-clockwise while maintaining pressure.
Other people have told me about using a potato, but I have never tried that.
Using a potato is mentioned in some DIY books. It works, but, I'dMake sure that the power is off when attempting this.
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