Question about filter type in replacement system, please.


L

Lanning

Thanks very much in advance for any information you may want to give.

Are the vanes of high efficiency evaporator coils so close together these
days that they will trap the dust that used to go through the vanes of an
old system?

An installer told me that a four or five inch thick foam filter arrangement
should have been part of the complete replacement system that I had
installed two months ago in my house.

Because the filter is directly under the air handling fan, and because the
new fan ramps up and moves the air faster than the 27 year old original
system, it pulls the dust right through a normal filter and the dust will be
trapped by the new closely spaced vanes, he said.

Sounds reasonable to me. And, I can say that my old style two month old
filter was surprisingly clean.

Roy Lanning
 
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P

pjm

Thanks very much in advance for any information you may want to give.
Try alt.home.repair.

That is the first information you need - where to post.
 
D

DaveinIllinois

Hi Roy and welcome. Let me caution you though, that, this DG is a NON
moderated group and is filled with Techs who resent you being here
because they look upon this DG as 'their hangout/nesting place' . You
will most likely be insulted, mistreated, and given foul and lewd
comments (as i will also) . So, just be aware. Also, be aware that not
all HVAC techs are like this.

'Are the vanes of high efficiency evaporator coils so close together
these days that they will trap the dust that used to go through the
vanes of an old system? '

ME: The vanes you refer to are the fins on the evaporator and thier
purpose is to bring the airflow in close contact with the tubes that has
the freon going thru them for transfer of the heat for the air into the
freon in the tubes and, for good dehumidification of the air . Alot of
efficiency is gained thru closely spaced fins on an Evaporator. Modern
evaporators as found in residences...are very prone to dirt buildup over
time which makes it imperative that the air filter be a good one , and
changed often . In addition, the evaporator can be inspected and
cleaned which is usually best handled by the Serviceman who comes
out...(upon your request for him to do so.)

'An installer told me that a four or five inch thick foam filter
arrangement should have been part of the complete replacement system
that I had installed two months ago in my house.'

ME: A 5 inch thick 'foam filter' will offer too much resistance to the
airflow ; however, there is a product made by Research Products called
:'SpaceGuard' which is at least a 6" pleated filter that will not
restrict airflow significantly , and will filter MUCH MUCH better than
your typical throwaway 1" air filter. Honneywell also offers a high
efficiency Filter like this too. If you dont want to go to the added
expense of having a SpaceGuard (or Honneywell) Filter added into your
system, then, obtain a 1" thick Electrostatic Filter which is washable
and comes on a sturdy metal frame. When you clean this filter, spray
some detergent on both sides before hosing down. These can be found at
Home DePot .

'Because the filter is directly under the air handling fan, and because
the new fan ramps up and moves the air faster than the 27 year old
original system, it pulls the dust right through a normal filter and the
dust will be trapped by the new closely spaced vanes, he said.'

ME: True...you have alot of suction on that filter being installed in
that manner. You will want a good 1" pleated air filter, a 1"
electrostatic filter, or opt for the SpaceGuard/Honneywell Filter .

'And, I can say that my old style two month old filter was surprisingly
clean.'

ME: Its most likely because the blower is sucking the dirt right thru
the air filter. Take a look at the blower housing in the airhandler ; if
theres alot of dirt on it and the blower wheel, then, you know the dirt
is passing right thru the air filter and ending up inside the blower
compartment and also some on the entering side of the Evaporator too.
Use a good air filter ...not a cheap 60 cent one.

Now....brace yourself for some replies which will be antagonistic/vile/
bad attitudes that i referred to earlier....(if not, it will be a first
!)

Dave
 
C

CBhVAC:\)

Hi Roy and welcome. Let me caution you though, that, this DG is a NON
moderated group and is filled with Techs who resent you being here
because they look upon this DG as 'their hangout/nesting place' . You
will most likely be insulted, mistreated, and given foul and lewd
comments (as i will also) . So, just be aware. Also, be aware that not
all HVAC techs are like this.

Also be aware that Dave states that he has sexual thoughts towards his
customers kids.
Hes right...not ALL techs are like that...but we know of one owner that is
like that, DaveinIllinois...the WebTV pedo..
 
D

DaveinIllinois

'Also be aware that Dave states that he has sexual thoughts towards his
customers kids.
Hes right...not ALL techs are like that...but we know of one owner that
is like that, DaveinIllinois...the WebTV pedo..'

ME: C,M, and R (cut, modify, and repaste)....the oldest trick in the
Web Book of Malice !

HO, you are welcome in this DG anytime you want to stop by and ask
questions ; there is no charter, no faq's , and no rules. Therefore,
dont listen to Paul, the Founder of this DG, who just wanted and up for
grabs ruleLESS dg.
 
C

CBhVAC:\)

'Also be aware that Dave states that he has sexual thoughts towards his
customers kids.
Hes right...not ALL techs are like that...but we know of one owner that
is like that, DaveinIllinois...the WebTV pedo..'

ME: C,M, and R (cut, modify, and repaste)....the oldest trick in the
Web Book of Malice !

Aint malice fucktard...its that you suck.
If you had a clue, and again, and again, you prove you dont....(BTW, thanks
for your advice you gave to a local, it was wrong, and cost him over $500 to
get repaired) you would know someones gonna sue you soon.
You really need to get off your think you know it all high horse and
stop...shut up, and go away...
HO, you are welcome in this DG anytime you want to stop by and ask
questions ; there is no charter, no faq's , and no rules. Therefore,
dont listen to Paul, the Founder of this DG, who just wanted and up for
grabs ruleLESS dg.
Theres a FAQ, and theres a FAG...one is used and wanted here, and the other
needs to go back to the UK...wanna buy a clue?
 
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CBhVAC:\)

bill said:
Dave's just pissed he woke up with his boyfriends colostomy bag stuck on
his lips.
I heard it was missing alltogether.
 
T

TURTLE

Lanning said:
Thanks very much in advance for any information you may want to give.

Are the vanes of high efficiency evaporator coils so close together these
days that they will trap the dust that used to go through the vanes of an
old system?

An installer told me that a four or five inch thick foam filter arrangement
should have been part of the complete replacement system that I had
installed two months ago in my house.

Because the filter is directly under the air handling fan, and because the
new fan ramps up and moves the air faster than the 27 year old original
system, it pulls the dust right through a normal filter and the dust will be
trapped by the new closely spaced vanes, he said.

Sounds reasonable to me. And, I can say that my old style two month old
filter was surprisingly clean.

Roy Lanning
This is Turtle.

First DaveinIllinois is our resident Troll and only knows what he knows is from what he reads here. He is not in the hvac business
but is in the Trolling of newsgroups to start trouble.

Second You can get a more detail responce over at alt.home.repair for they like to discuss home owners problem over there. A lot of
the people here go over there to answer question and including myself.

Third The Blue 64 cent walmart filter will work but you really need a 80% or better Media filter and wash it out ever 2 weeks.

TURTLE
 
A

American Mechanical

bill said:
Dave's just pissed he woke up with his boyfriends colostomy bag stuck on
his lips.
OK, I think Dave's a dribbling idiot but that was a mental picture I could
have done without! DAMN!

Damn, now the dribbling thing is giving me chills......

- Robert
 
A

American Mechanical

bill said:
OK, I think Dave's a dribbling idiot but that was a mental picture I could
have done without! DAMN!

Damn, now the dribbling thing is giving me chills......

- Robert
At least there were no tubgirl pics.[/QUOTE]

Not to infringe on or contradict a separate ongoing thread, but God Bless
you for that! ;-)

- Robert
 
L

Lanning

Turtle,

Thanks very much. I'm glad to know the usual filter would have been OK if I
changed it often.

The contractor installed a filter rack under the air handler today at no
charge. Took him some carpentry to do it. It takes a pleated filter
(supplied,
not washable, about $40) that is almost five inches thick. He said it could
last a year.

Some gaps had to be filled with weather stripping and wood. A pain, and I
wish I REALLY KNEW that I need not check it every month.

I'll remember about "alt.home.repair". I didn't realize you HVAC pros went
there at all.

Roy Lanning


| > Thanks very much in advance for any information you may want to give.
| >
| > Are the vanes of high efficiency evaporator coils so close together
these
| > days that they will trap the dust that used to go through the vanes of
an
| > old system?
| >
| > An installer told me that a four or five inch thick foam filter
arrangement
| > should have been part of the complete replacement system that I had
| > installed two months ago in my house.
| >
| > Because the filter is directly under the air handling fan, and because
the
| > new fan ramps up and moves the air faster than the 27 year old original
| > system, it pulls the dust right through a normal filter and the dust
will be
| > trapped by the new closely spaced vanes, he said.
| >
| > Sounds reasonable to me. And, I can say that my old style two month old
| > filter was surprisingly clean.
| >
| > Roy Lanning
|
| This is Turtle.
|
| First DaveinIllinois is our resident Troll and only knows what he knows is
from what he reads here. He is not in the hvac business
| but is in the Trolling of newsgroups to start trouble.
|
| Second You can get a more detail responce over at alt.home.repair for they
like to discuss home owners problem over there. A lot of
| the people here go over there to answer question and including myself.
|
| Third The Blue 64 cent walmart filter will work but you really need a 80%
or better Media filter and wash it out ever 2 weeks.
|
| TURTLE
|
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TURTLE

Lanning said:
Turtle,

Thanks very much. I'm glad to know the usual filter would have been OK if I
changed it often.

The contractor installed a filter rack under the air handler today at no
charge. Took him some carpentry to do it. It takes a pleated filter
(supplied,
not washable, about $40) that is almost five inches thick. He said it could
last a year.

Some gaps had to be filled with weather stripping and wood. A pain, and I
wish I REALLY KNEW that I need not check it every month.

I'll remember about "alt.home.repair". I didn't realize you HVAC pros went
there at all.

Roy Lanning
This is Turtle.

The 5" pleated filter is the 80% or so and also a good filter to have but watch going a whole year before looking at it as to being
dirty or plugged up. I would check it out atleast every 3 to 6 months or so. You could have more dust in your home that you may
think. just erroring on the safe side.

TURTLE
 
S

Stormin Mormon

As you've noticed, a few of the folks on this NG (news
group) are less than polite. Ah, well.

I've never heard of a 5 inch thick foam filter. Must be
something regional.

Yes, with AC a filter is very important. Without a filter,
house dust and pollen and so on will clog your evaporator
(the cold coil on top of the furnace).

The blue fiberglass ones are better than nothing. The white
paper pleated ones are better. And Spacegards are very fine
(if some what more expensive).

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Thanks very much in advance for any information you may want
to give.

Are the vanes of high efficiency evaporator coils so close
together these
days that they will trap the dust that used to go through
the vanes of an
old system?

An installer told me that a four or five inch thick foam
filter arrangement
should have been part of the complete replacement system
that I had
installed two months ago in my house.

Because the filter is directly under the air handling fan,
and because the
new fan ramps up and moves the air faster than the 27 year
old original
system, it pulls the dust right through a normal filter and
the dust will be
trapped by the new closely spaced vanes, he said.

Sounds reasonable to me. And, I can say that my old style
two month old
filter was surprisingly clean.

Roy Lanning
 
T

Tekkie

bill posted for all of us....
Dave's just pissed he woke up with his boyfriends colostomy bag stuck on
his lips.
Oh is THAT why his breath smells like shit? Fine dining... Daves boyfriend
always comments that DentureDave has THE whitest teeth he has ever cum upon.
 
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Anne Reynolds

CBhVAC:) said:
Aint malice fucktard...its that you suck.
If you had a clue, and again, and again, you prove you dont....(BTW, thanks
for your advice you gave to a local, it was wrong, and cost him over $500 to
get repaired) you would know someones gonna sue you soon.
You really need to get off your think you know it all high horse and
stop...shut up, and go away...


Theres a FAQ, and theres a FAG...one is used and wanted here, and the
other > needs to go back to the UK...wanna buy a clue?

We really don't want him back in the UK, his posts in UK groups are bad
enough.

Now I will agree that it is the fault of UK doctors, who when he was born
made the mistake of throwing the baby away and keeping the afterbirth, but
he was born in Essex, and it seemed a lot of that went on there at the time.

However US Immigration did make the mistake of letting him in, and believe
me there are many people in the UK, who feel very guilty that Dave should
have been dumped in Illinois, and the American people have to put up with
him. I feel sad about this, as he is certainly not typical or representative
of the UK.

I'm sure you could find a nice job suitable to his talents somewhere like
Iraq, distributing his Fundy bibles, and ministering to those "heathen
Muslims". (His words not mine)

Anne Reynolds
 

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