OT: curb appeal


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Smitty Two

There's been a bit of banter here about the old vs. the new. I've
definitely got a preference for older homes (pre WWII) partly because
they aren't ugly or gaudy looking from the street. Of course,
architectural style preferences are personal (Mediterranean suits me.)

But in any style, there was certainly a lot more thought and attention
given to craftsmanship - in design and execution - "back in the day."

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out my
biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody built two car
garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build were put behind the
house, or pushed way back relative to the front of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
 
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Doug Miller

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out my
biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody built two car
garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build were put behind the
house, or pushed way back relative to the front of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
Nope, I hate them too. My wife calls them "garages with an attached house".
 
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dpb

Smitty Two wrote:
....
Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
"Not my house, not my problem..." :)

--
 
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bigjim

A detached garage becomes a shed. I like a two car attached garage.
I've lived in a brand new house and a 30's house and my next house
will be new as there are far fewer problems and modern systems beat
ancient ones.
 
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dadiOH

Smitty said:
There's been a bit of banter here about the old vs. the new. I've
definitely got a preference for older homes (pre WWII) partly
because they aren't ugly or gaudy looking from the street. Of
course, architectural style preferences are personal (Mediterranean
suits me.)

But in any style, there was certainly a lot more thought and
attention given to craftsmanship - in design and execution - "back
in the day."

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out
my biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent
feature of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody
built two car garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build
were put behind the house, or pushed way back relative to the front
of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it
doesn't matter what the architectural style of the house is, the
garage just plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
I'm appalled by *everything* having to do with autos...the amount of
money to buy/use them...the number per capita...the 10s of 1000s of
square miles of pavement...millions of miles of road at millions per
mile (yeah, I know...the truckers need them; whatever happened to
trains?). Like that.

As far as garages in back go, those went when alleys did. Alleys went
when developers started making those wonderful, walled compounds
("gated communities").

And all the above is California's fault.
 
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kgstewar

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Gini

"Smitty Two" wrote
There's been a bit of banter here about the old vs. the new. I've
definitely got a preference for older homes (pre WWII) partly because
they aren't ugly or gaudy looking from the street. Of course,
architectural style preferences are personal (Mediterranean suits me.)

But in any style, there was certainly a lot more thought and attention
given to craftsmanship - in design and execution - "back in the day."

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out my
biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody built two car
garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build were put behind the
house, or pushed way back relative to the front of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
==
I wouldn't buy one. I can't imagine what the architect is thinking when
he/she creates such odd looking houses.
 
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Don Phillipson

Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage?
Ans: the accountants for large multi-unit builders.
They discovered (from architectural/engineering data)
that if you want any size of enclosed garage the
cheapest way to build it is projecting forward from
the inhabiited part of the house.
 
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charlie

Smitty Two said:
There's been a bit of banter here about the old vs. the new. I've
definitely got a preference for older homes (pre WWII) partly because
they aren't ugly or gaudy looking from the street. Of course,
architectural style preferences are personal (Mediterranean suits me.)

But in any style, there was certainly a lot more thought and attention
given to craftsmanship - in design and execution - "back in the day."

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out my
biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody built two car
garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build were put behind the
house, or pushed way back relative to the front of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
yes. however, it's all driven by cost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snout_house
 
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mike

It's a matter of taste. I don't WANT people to see my house.

A driveway to the back uses up maybe 1000 square feet and cuts down on the
size of the house. Garages in the front insulate the house from the vagaries
of the street (noise, the curious, and the evil).
A-men. I don't give a flip if for some bizarre reason it repels
someone's inner designer if the garage is out front. I don't mind it
at all. It's convenient, saves space, provides privacy, and looks
just fine to me.

Form follows function.
 
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Big_Jake

There's been a bit of banter here about the old vs. the new. I've
definitely got a preference for older homes (pre WWII) partly because
they aren't ugly or gaudy looking from the street. Of course,
architectural style preferences are personal (Mediterranean suits me.)

But in any style, there was certainly a lot more thought and attention
given to craftsmanship - in design and execution - "back in the day."

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out my
biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody built two car
garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build were put behind the
house, or pushed way back relative to the front of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
My wife and I think they look like firehouses. We expect the garage
door to open, followed by a truck or two driving out with lights and
sirens. :)

JK
 
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mike

Exactly. And the garage should enter into the kitchen so it is easy to
unload the groceries.








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Um, wouldn't the cars get in the way of the food preparation?
Seriously, a garage in the back would just mean fewer views of your
beautiful back yard in a trade for more views of the road. No thanks.
 
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Nick Danger

Smitty Two said:
There's been a bit of banter here about the old vs. the new. I've
definitely got a preference for older homes (pre WWII) partly because
they aren't ugly or gaudy looking from the street. Of course,
architectural style preferences are personal (Mediterranean suits me.)

But in any style, there was certainly a lot more thought and attention
given to craftsmanship - in design and execution - "back in the day."

So I gave it a little thought and it didn't take long to figure out my
biggest complaint: Who the hell decided that the most prominent feature
of a home ought to be the fucking garage? Sure, nobody built two car
garages back in 1935, but the ones they did build were put behind the
house, or pushed way back relative to the front of the house.

Now the big ugly wart of a garage sticks way out in front and it doesn't
matter what the architectural style of the house is, the garage just
plain destroys it.

Is it just me that is appalled by that?
Craftsmanship wasn't any better "back in the day." If anything, it was
worse. But all the architectural nightmares of the day either fell down or
were mercifully put out of their misery and torn down long ago. The only
houses still standing today are the ones that were well designed, well
constructed, and well maintained. 100 years from now, the same thing will
happen, and people will be longing for the quality and workmanship of the
2000s because the only houses of this era that they'll see will be the best
ones.

As for the garage dominating the front of the house, this isn't the problem,
it's just a side-effect of the problem. Back in the day, you had the
occasional carriage going down the street, and a fair number of people
passing by on the sidewalks. You put a porch on the front of your house so
you could cool off on a hot summer evening and talk with people walking by.
Now the street is full of cars and trucks (actually, since it's a
residential neighborhood, there are no cars, just humungous SUVs being
driven by housewives talking on the phone and driving much too fast), so the
front of the house plays no role in anyone's life except as a connection to
the street - just drive in and drive out. The house is probably
air-conditioned, so there isn't that much need to go outside. Any contact
with the outside is in the back yard. Maybe there are some people who want
to show off their cars and power tools in their garage, but I think mostly
people just don't want to be bothered with making a statement.
 
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aemeijers

Frank said:
Lot restrictions in my development call for turned garages, i.e. they
cannot face the street. Look much better.
Chuckle. My father, who has been designing houses for 50+ years, bemoaned
the end of 'alley' subdivisions, for just that reason. It wasn't till lots
got wider in the 1960s, could he start steering customers to side-entry or
rear-entry garages again. A street-facing 2-car garage makes it look like
the car owns the house, and the humans are just the staff. They used to run
a skinny drive along the house and put the garage in back yard, on lots
without an alley. But houses had front porches, and kids were allowed to
play in front yards. Back yards were the utilitarian areas, used for garden
and clotheslines and such. Whn backyards became private sanctuaries where
every square foot counted, and building codes and insurance companies
started allowing attached garages, suddenly only old fogies went with
detached. I'm not one of those utopian 'new urbanists', I know there is no
turing the clock back, but a typical 1957- 1977 suburan dipped-in-brick
ranch is just SAD.

aem sends...
 
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Smitty Two

Don Phillipson said:
Ans: the accountants for large multi-unit builders.
They discovered (from architectural/engineering data)
that if you want any size of enclosed garage the
cheapest way to build it is projecting forward from
the inhabiited part of the house.
When an accountant came down to the shop one day to tell Henry Ford how
to run his business, he stormed up the stairs and fired the entire
accounting staff - a whole floor full of people. Every last one of the
pesky bastards. More accountants need to be fired, I think.
 
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Rudy

Sure, nobody built two car garages back in 1935, but the ones they did
build were put behind the house,
Once they went :suburbia: and got rid of back alleys, the garages had to
face the front. My uncle had a nice WIDE lot in 1960's Sunnyvale CA..
Two car garage and still the rest of the front of house was still almost
twice the size of the garage doors. Didnt look bad at all.
Now the lot sizes have been chopped down so narrow, some new homes have
nothing at the front except the double garage door and "maybe" the main
front door.

OO-GLY ? Yep
 
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Edwin Pawlowski

Nancy Young said:
I've read that it was a status symbol at some point, look, the
people here have a car. I don't know if I buy that, who knows.
If I was going to build a house, assuming there was enough
room, I'd put the garage doors on the side of the house.
It may have been a status symbol many year ago, but today, it is a matter of
practicality over aesthetics. With garage door openers it is easy to push
the button and drive into the house, looks be damned. We have friends
that we've know for 26 years since we moved to this town. We see them very
often but in 26 years, I've never used their front door. I don't think they
ever have either.
 
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Edwin Pawlowski

Chris M (SilverUnicorn) said:
I am not appaled, but I certainly know what you're saying here.
But....they don't need to look absolutely hideous either.

How about a style like this?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/205/451169757_3a09fe48e7_o.jpg

And yes, we have a back yard too :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/246/451155774_60c1670ef6_o.jpg
Better than some, worse than others. For a few dollars more in
construction, the garage could have been turned 90 degrees with the entrance
on the right side. That means the driveway would be moved over (could be a
problem with some property lines) and a few more square feet of asphalt
would have been used at the top, but the drive itself could have been
narrower from the street. It would also mean adding a couple of more
windows (that cost $$$) so it looks balanced and not a big bland slab as is
on the side now.

IMO, the front porch should be brought up to the real front of the house so
you can sit out there with a good view of the street and neighborhood. Fact
is, no one uses front porches like they did in the old days of row homes in
the city. We all hide in the back yard so our neighbors can't see us.

How many of us have never met or spoken to a neighbor that is two or more
houses away from us? But I bet we can recognize their car.
 
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Smitty Two

Nick Danger said:
Craftsmanship wasn't any better "back in the day." If anything, it was
worse. But all the architectural nightmares of the day either fell down or
were mercifully put out of their misery and torn down long ago. The only
houses still standing today are the ones that were well designed, well
constructed, and well maintained. 100 years from now, the same thing will
happen, and people will be longing for the quality and workmanship of the
2000s because the only houses of this era that they'll see will be the best
ones.

As for the garage dominating the front of the house, this isn't the problem,
it's just a side-effect of the problem. Back in the day, you had the
occasional carriage going down the street, and a fair number of people
passing by on the sidewalks. You put a porch on the front of your house so
you could cool off on a hot summer evening and talk with people walking by.
Now the street is full of cars and trucks (actually, since it's a
residential neighborhood, there are no cars, just humungous SUVs being
driven by housewives talking on the phone and driving much too fast), so the
front of the house plays no role in anyone's life except as a connection to
the street - just drive in and drive out. The house is probably
air-conditioned, so there isn't that much need to go outside. Any contact
with the outside is in the back yard. Maybe there are some people who want
to show off their cars and power tools in their garage, but I think mostly
people just don't want to be bothered with making a statement.
A thoughtful reply. I disagree about the first paragraph, but you're on
target with the second. Except for one point: I'd say 90% of those ugly
garages aren't filled with cars and power tools. They've either been
converted to living space of one sort or another, or they're filled with
piles and piles and piles of useless crap. Now how useful is that door
to the kitchen?
 

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