Odd question...


K

Karen

Errm, I hesitate to ask this here, seeing as it's a diy group,
but I've come up against a job I can't tackle myself so I've
got to Get A Little Man In. The thing is, I'm putting the job
out to tender (it's electrical stuff - domestic, but beyond my
capabilities) and I've asked the various electricians to quote
an hourly rate rather than a flat rate for the job (long
story, don't ask). What I'm not at all sure of is how much is
reasonable as an hourly rate for domestic wiring jobs. I
don't suppose any of you have any idea on the subject, do you?
 
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Lurch

don't suppose any of you have any idea on the subject, do you?
Depending where you are, and who you ask, anywhere from £10ph to
£30ph. Most decent electricians will be around the £20ph on average,
unless you live in London....
 
M

Mungo \two sheds\ Toadfoot

Karen said:
Errm, I hesitate to ask this here, seeing as it's a diy group,
but I've come up against a job I can't tackle myself so I've
got to Get A Little Man In. The thing is, I'm putting the job
out to tender (it's electrical stuff - domestic, but beyond my
capabilities) and I've asked the various electricians to quote
an hourly rate rather than a flat rate for the job (long
story, don't ask). What I'm not at all sure of is how much is
reasonable as an hourly rate for domestic wiring jobs. I
don't suppose any of you have any idea on the subject, do you?
I'd say this is just asking for the sparks to work slowly...

Si
 
K

Karen

Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot said:
I'd say this is just asking for the sparks to work slowly...
I see your point; however I've got someone in mind and I know
he's constrained for time. We're desperately trying to get a
very big job done before the end of the year... 'nuff said?
:)
 
K

Karen

(e-mail address removed) said...
Depending where you are, and who you ask, anywhere from £10ph to
£30ph. Most decent electricians will be around the £20ph on average,
unless you live in London....
Thanks, that's very helpful and gives me a good idea what to
expect.
 
M

Mungo \two sheds\ Toadfoot

Karen said:
I see your point; however I've got someone in mind and I know
he's constrained for time. We're desperately trying to get a
very big job done before the end of the year... 'nuff said?
:)
Fairy nuff :)

Electrical work can take a long time though - you might want to get a few
quotes for the whole job, if you haven't already, then compare it to how
long matey says it will take.

Si
 
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K

Karen

Mungo \"two sheds\" Toadfoot said:
Fairy nuff :)

Electrical work can take a long time though - you might want to get a few
quotes for the whole job, if you haven't already, then compare it to how
long matey says it will take.
BTDT - it's a massive job and the problem has been persuading
anyone to quote for it at all :-( A friend of mine, who's not
prepared to actually do the job, has given me a rough idea of
what it should cost, so what with that and the rates quoted by
Lurch above I'll be able to bargain with a certain amount of
confidence. Thanks for your concern though - I don't suppose
you fancy completely rewiring a large late Victorian house
with thick external stone-clad walls and the original covings
at the top of 10-12 foot high rooms, all in the space of a
fortnight do you? <D&R> ;-)
 
L

Lurch

BTDT - it's a massive job and the problem has been persuading
anyone to quote for it at all :-( A friend of mine, who's not
prepared to actually do the job, has given me a rough idea of
what it should cost, so what with that and the rates quoted by
Lurch above I'll be able to bargain with a certain amount of
confidence. Thanks for your concern though - I don't suppose
you fancy completely rewiring a large late Victorian house
with thick external stone-clad walls and the original covings
at the top of 10-12 foot high rooms, all in the space of a
fortnight do you? <D&R> ;-)
Not if you're going to start haggling. My approach is you get what you
pay for, and it costs what it costs.
A,though I'm quite happy to give you advice here, I certainly wouldn't
want you as a customer.
 
D

Dave Plowman (News)

BTDT - it's a massive job and the problem has been persuading
anyone to quote for it at all :-( A friend of mine, who's not
prepared to actually do the job, has given me a rough idea of
what it should cost, so what with that and the rates quoted by
Lurch above I'll be able to bargain with a certain amount of
confidence. Thanks for your concern though - I don't suppose
you fancy completely rewiring a large late Victorian house
with thick external stone-clad walls and the original covings
at the top of 10-12 foot high rooms, all in the space of a
fortnight do you? <D&R> ;-)
That's hardly a massive job on the scale of 1 to 10, since there are many
large Victorian houses that will need re-wiring from time to time. Doing
an entire block of flats might be, though. ;-)

Also, imposing a timescale on this type of work is never a good idea -
unless the trader has agreed it's possible, and charged accordingly.
Anything can be done within a timescale if you through enough resources at
it, but this may not be the most economical way.
 
K

Karen

(e-mail address removed) said...
I don't suppose

Not if you're going to start haggling. My approach is you get what you
pay for, and it costs what it costs.
And,though I'm quite happy to give you advice here, I certainly wouldn't
want you as a customer.
Neither would I, to be honest <g>. Time to come clean: The
person I have in mind now to do the job is someone I have
known for a long time and is a Usenet regular posting to
several groups on a daily basis. He wasn't sure how much he
should charge (can't do it for nowt 'cos he needs the money
but OTOH I'm not exactly rolling in it either) and neither was
I. So, I decided to ask here to see if anyone knew of
sensible figures - it occurred to me that he might be reading
the NG as well - without disclosing to him whence I'd got my
information. Sorry if you felt misled; it wasn't deliberate,
honestly. Incidentally, I'm not normally too much of a
haggler; I have, however, learnt over the years that most
people will accept a lower rate than that which they quote
initially...
 
K

Karen

(e-mail address removed) said...
That's hardly a massive job on the scale of 1 to 10, since there are many
large Victorian houses that will need re-wiring from time to time. Doing
an entire block of flats might be, though. ;-)
Just try getting people to quote for it though. So far I have
contacted over a dozen people within a 20 mile radius
(roughly) and of those only one said he could do the job. He,
however, isn't returning phone calls, and so hasn't come in
with a quote or a start date. Meanwhile the delay is costing
me money because I've had to empty my house and put things
into storage.
Also, imposing a timescale on this type of work is never a good idea -
unless the trader has agreed it's possible, and charged accordingly.
Anything can be done within a timescale if you throw enough resources at
it, but this may not be the most economical way.
It wasn't I who imposed the time limit. The person who will
do the job is highly competent but unregistered as an
electrician. The new regulations on electrical work come into
force on Jan 1st, so the job must be finished by then because
otherwise I won't be able to afford to have the work done.
Granted the new ruling is going to be next to impossible to
police I'd rather have it all done in time 'just in case'.
(Just in case of what - I don't know)
 
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Lurch

Our frienfdly sparky said it's not the time taken for the small job that
costs the money, but all the testing and paperwork required after that
makes "small" jobs expensive.
Quite right.
 
L

Lurch

Incidentally, I'm not normally too much of a
haggler; I have, however, learnt over the years that most
people will accept a lower rate than that which they quote
initially...
You've obviously not had me working for you in the past then. ;-)
 
S

Stefek Zaba

Karen said:
It wasn't I who imposed the time limit. The person who will
do the job is highly competent but unregistered as an
electrician. The new regulations on electrical work come into
force on Jan 1st, so the job must be finished by then because
otherwise I won't be able to afford to have the work done.
Ah, if *that's* your source of deadline, you can ease off. Part P kicks
in on 01jan05 for *new* work, but work *started* before then can
complete as late as 31mar05. I don't know how precisely "started" is
defined - I don't think getting an initial estimate would count, but
just buying the materials might; and certainly lifting boards and
starting to route one or two of the 12 or 15 eventual circuits (you said
it was a rambling Victorian pile, right?) should put you very clearly on
the "having started" side of the line.

That said, for a job as meaty as this one being done by a knowledgeable
non-professional, I'd pony up the miserable 50-60 quid for a subsequent
installation inspection by a reputable local sparks (ask around, not on
the Net but among friends and colleagues)...

Stefek
 
F

Frank Erskine

It wasn't I who imposed the time limit. The person who will
do the job is highly competent but unregistered as an
electrician. The new regulations on electrical work come into
force on Jan 1st, so the job must be finished by then because
otherwise I won't be able to afford to have the work done.
Granted the new ruling is going to be next to impossible to
police I'd rather have it all done in time 'just in case'.
(Just in case of what - I don't know)
If the house isn't at present occupied, is it a "dwelling"? Part P
only covers dwellings...
 
T

The Natural Philosopher

Karen said:
Errm, I hesitate to ask this here, seeing as it's a diy group,
but I've come up against a job I can't tackle myself so I've
got to Get A Little Man In. The thing is, I'm putting the job
out to tender (it's electrical stuff - domestic, but beyond my
capabilities) and I've asked the various electricians to quote
an hourly rate rather than a flat rate for the job (long
story, don't ask). What I'm not at all sure of is how much is
reasonable as an hourly rate for domestic wiring jobs. I
don't suppose any of you have any idea on the subject, do you?
About 30 quid an hour, or 150 a day.
 
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Dave Jones

information. Sorry if you felt misled; it wasn't deliberate,
honestly. Incidentally, I'm not normally too much of a
haggler; I have, however, learnt over the years that most
people will accept a lower rate than that which they quote
initially...
Surely if they accept a lower rate than quoted, then

a) They are desperate for work (Not many decent traders are!)
b) They are reducing the quality of the job either with cheaper materials
and or workmanship
or c) They overpriced the job in the first place and tried to con you out of
your cash.

So why would you want to use somebody that drops their price so easily?

Dave Jones
 
L

Lurch

Surely if they accept a lower rate than quoted, then

a) They are desperate for work (Not many decent traders are!)
b) They are reducing the quality of the job either with cheaper materials
and or workmanship
or c) They overpriced the job in the first place and tried to con you out of
your cash.

So why would you want to use somebody that drops their price so easily?
This is exactly why I don't do any of the above, you get a dodgy
reputation for being a con merchant\rougharse\pushover. I'm not.
 
K

Karen

(e-mail address removed) said...
Surely if they accept a lower rate than quoted, then

b) They are reducing the quality of the job either with cheaper materials
and or workmanship
or c) They overpriced the job in the first place and tried to con you out of
your cash.

So why would you want to use somebody that drops their price so easily?
B) I usually find that a compromise can be reached whereby the
price can be reduced by the worker and the specifications of
the job can be reduced by me.
C) It wouldn't be the first time...
 
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K

Karen

(e-mail address removed) said...
Ah, if *that's* your source of deadline, you can ease off. Part P kicks
in on 01jan05 for *new* work, but work *started* before then can
complete as late as 31mar05.
Thanks, I didn't realise that. Mind, we do have to get as
much done as possible, since the man concerned is only
available at weekends after the new year.
I don't know how precisely "started" is
defined - I don't think getting an initial estimate would count, but
just buying the materials might; and certainly lifting boards and
starting to route one or two of the 12 or 15 eventual circuits (you said
it was a rambling Victorian pile, right?) should put you very clearly on
the "having started" side of the line.
Well, it's not it's not /that/ rambling, but we've lived here
for a while and we've accumulated more stuff than you'd think
possible. Just to give you an idea, there'll be over 30 bin
bags going out for the dustmen this week...
That said, for a job as meaty as this one being done by a knowledgeable
non-professional, I'd pony up the miserable 50-60 quid for a subsequent
installation inspection by a reputable local sparks (ask around, not on
the Net but among friends and colleagues)...
I know an excellent sparky; he's already fitted a secondary
consumer unit for me so the main work can start, but the rest
of the job is too big for his as he has other commitments
including his own house that he's renovating. I'll have a
word with him to see if he can pop in occasionally while the
work's underway, and then at the end to give it a certificate.
Thanks.
 

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