Noise pollution . . .


R

Ray

As I write these words, directly across my street, two heavy-duty
gas-powered leaf-blowers, and one leaf vaccuum are going full blast -- and
it is about to blast me out of my house. Although this is the worst example,
not a day passes that I don't have to endure such noise.

For the life of me, I can't understand why the city and state requires
mufflers on cars, yet lets these monster machines make life intolerable for
anyone in earshot.

If anyone knows of an organization whose purpose is to bring pressure on
manufacturers to muffle lawn-equipment, please let me know. If no such
organization exists, I'd consider leading the charge to establish one.

Congressional action would be the best approach, but that's not likely.
However, if city councils can start to agitate by passing noise-control
ordinances, sooner or later the manufacturers would get the message.

I'd welcome any comments/discussion.
 
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JoeSpareBedroom

Ray said:
As I write these words, directly across my street, two heavy-duty
gas-powered leaf-blowers, and one leaf vaccuum are going full blast -- and
it is about to blast me out of my house. Although this is the worst
example, not a day passes that I don't have to endure such noise.

For the life of me, I can't understand why the city and state requires
mufflers on cars, yet lets these monster machines make life intolerable
for anyone in earshot.

Those stupid toys have mufflers of some sort, believe it or not. I
discovered this when my neighbor dropped his stupid toy on the driveway,
breaking off the muffler. Now, the stupid toy is 10 times louder than before
and he thinks it's funny. This guy's an idiot. He'll chase 5 leaves around
the yard for two hours. He's in good shape. He could use a rake, but he
doesn't. This seems typical of many who use leaf blowers. I think they buy
them because somehow, they got the idea that they were supposed to.

Get used to it. 54% of the population is hopelessly stupid. The best you can
hope for is that they somehow kill themselves while using dangerous yard
equipment.

By the way, your town most likely has noise ordinances, but they probably
kick in at night. In my town, the only daytime rule is that organized events
including loud music must have a permit. You probably don't have a prayer of
getting any new laws passed, because they would also affect lawnmowers
(including yours), and chain saws (which tree service people need to do
their jobs).

I'm able to reason with one of my neighbors, who has an industrial strength
leaf blower on wheels. He used to blow some leaves, stop & read a magazine,
blow some more leaves, have a little lunch, blow some leaves, check his
car's oil....there was noise all day. I asked him if he could compress the
noise into one session so the whole day wasn't polluted. He's cool. He did
it.

Meanwhile, I can rake 1/4 acre of leaves and bag them in about 90 minutes,
which is much faster than some of these putzes with leaf blowers.
 
R

Ray

But what's wrong with putting mufflers on the machines to improve the
quality of life in our city?

No one would consider any city which did not require automobile mufflers to
be "dynamic."
 
D

dpb

Ray said:
But what's wrong with putting mufflers on the machines to improve the
quality of life in our city?
Every gasoline engine on every item I own _has_ a muffler--I expect
these do as well...

Why aren't you at work? :)

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R

Ray

I'm not at work because I'm retired. The owner of the house is at work as a
fatcat lawyer, and he doesn't have to hear the grief he is inflicting on his
neighbors who are trying to enjoy some peace in their own homes.

You can bet you last dollar that if there were an equivalent level of noise
outside his office window, he'd be calling the police.
 
J

JoeSpareBedroom

Ray said:
I'm not at work because I'm retired. The owner of the house is at work as
a fatcat lawyer, and he doesn't have to hear the grief he is inflicting on
his neighbors who are trying to enjoy some peace in their own homes.

You can bet you last dollar that if there were an equivalent level of
noise outside his office window, he'd be calling the police.
Maybe that could be arranged. Heh. Get evil.
 
T

trader4

I've thought about the issue a good deal. Even wondered how a zoning
ordinance would work which limits use in a given area to certain days of
the week. Wouldn't work here, probably, because the same contractors
work on a lot of the neighborhood homes. We have trash pickup two times
a week, next-door neighbor two days but different trash hauler. They
back into the parking lot, hoist the dumpster. Another truck to pick up
the recycling barrels, hoist them and dump them. There is a lot that
can be gained by changing landscaping to stuff that doesn't require a
lot of maintenance, but folks love their grass. I get crazy when I see
posts about people who want to kill the ants crawling in their yards or
on their trees. A tax advantage for enviro-friendly landscape practices
might work. I'm not on a rant about folks who use grassy yards or who
are getting eaten up by fire ants and want to get rid of them. There is
just a huge amount of needless use of chemicals. I read recently that
Florida - I don't recall which agency - is trying to eliminate ALL WILD
BEE HIVES. Africanized bees are in Florida, so I guess that is the
justification. I rarely see a bee and always wonder if it will be the
last one. I used to do nature photography, looking for spots that are
free of signs of humanity. There is so much trash in the water that I
can't find those places. When I used to go shelling, I would brink two
bags, one for shells to pick up on the way out, and one to pick up trash
on the way back. I have found clothing, furniture, false teeth,
hundreds of plastic bags and bottles, wallets, etc. Folks toss bottles
out the window of vehicles all over the place. Just amazing.- Hide quoted text -

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Big deal, 2 leaf blowers and a leaf vacuum to bitch about. Instead
of complaining, you should be happy that you have a neighbor who
takes care of his property. How long does this leaf blowing take?
Around here pro's like that are done in an hour and come back 2 weeks
later. They do it about 3 times in the Fall. And yeah, they may use
1 leaf blower to clean up after cutting the lawn during the other 6
months, but that takes all of 5 minutes.
 
J

JoeSpareBedroom

Big deal, 2 leaf blowers and a leaf vacuum to bitch about. Instead
of complaining, you should be happy that you have a neighbor who
takes care of his property. How long does this leaf blowing take?
Around here pro's like that are done in an hour and come back 2 weeks
later. They do it about 3 times in the Fall. And yeah, they may use
1 leaf blower to clean up after cutting the lawn during the other 6
months, but that takes all of 5 minutes.
Around here, the pros ARE done quickly. But, I have a couple of neighbors
who go at it all day long for some reason. I'm not kidding. All day long.
 
O

Oren

Wouldn't work. Did you know small aircraft don't have mufflers?

It's because a muffler reduces the power output of the engine by a
significant percent. In the case of airplanes, they would need a larger
engine to compensate for the reduced power. That means more weight, etc.

In the case of a leaf-blower, the larger engine would increase the cost and
no one would buy the thing.

There is a bright side, however. In my neighborhood, Home Depot is giving
away a free Messican with the purchase of each new leaf blower. This is not
a one-time special either; evidently there is an endless supply of
Messicans.
I walked into an office one day at work, years ago. Two guys were
joking around. One Mexican, the other Black. They were commenting
about a local neighborhood and about each others ethnicity. The
Mexican said; If they see a bunch of us riding in a car, they know we
are landscapers. The Black guy said; If they see a bunch of us riding
in a car, they called it Grand Theft Auto.

Yes it happened :-/
 
M

mike

Blowing or raking leaves is silly. It's much easier to mow them up
and dump the bag where you need weed control.

More to your issue: Plenty of cities have ordinances against leaf
blowers and/or noise. Most lawmakers are just itching to make more
laws, so hit 'em up.
 
D

dadiOH

HeyBub said:
Earplugs. Fifty cents.

Noise is part of the price you pay for living in an upscale
neighborhood in a dynamic city.
Uhhh...my problem is airboats. Specifically, one airboat. And
they/it are too loud for earplugs.
 
C

Caesar Romano

Big deal, 2 leaf blowers and a leaf vacuum to bitch about. Instead
of complaining, you should be happy that you have a neighbor who
takes care of his property. How long does this leaf blowing take?
Around here pro's like that are done in an hour and come back 2 weeks
later. They do it about 3 times in the Fall. And yeah, they may use
1 leaf blower to clean up after cutting the lawn during the other 6
months, but that takes all of 5 minutes.
Well said.
 
O

Oren

Uhhh...my problem is airboats. Specifically, one airboat. And
they/it are too loud for earplugs.
Not from the driver's seat :)) Out all night gigging frogs, until
daylight.
 
M

Malcolm Hoar

Congressional action would be the best approach, but that's not likely.
However, if city councils can start to agitate by passing noise-control
ordinances, sooner or later the manufacturers would get the message.
Quite a few cities have enacted such ordinances. I haven't
studied the issue but the anecdotal reports I've seen suggest
these laws have been considered rather successful.

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W

willshak

But what's wrong with putting mufflers on the machines to improve the
quality of life in our city?
It's not the lack of mufflers. It's the whine of the fan that blows the
leaves.
 
W

willshak

Congressional action would be the best approach, but that's not likely.
However, if city councils can start to agitate by passing noise-control
ordinances, sooner or later the manufacturers would get the message.
Quite a few cities have enacted such ordinances. I haven't
studied the issue but the anecdotal reports I've seen suggest
these laws have been considered rather successful.
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Yes, I remember reading about those ordinances. I forgot where they are,
but I am almost sure they are in California.
BTW. I have one and feel guilty whenever I use it. I try to do it during
the week when people are working.
I live on a cul-de-sac off a dead end road and we all have one acre
plots, so we are not on top of each other. All of my neighbors work
except for one couple, but they use a leaf blower, so I don't feel my
leaf blowing is a problem for them. Two of my neighbors have jobs whose
shifts rotate, so I check that their commuter cars are not home when I
leaf blow.
 
O

Oren

dadiOH said:
HeyBub wrote:
[snip]
Uhhh...my problem is airboats. Specifically, one airboat. And
they/it are too loud for earplugs.
The reason HeyBub's city has noisy leaf blowers and dadiOH's area has noisy
airboats is because HeyBub got first choice.
San Francisco got first choice and San Diego ended up with all the
lawyers.
 
R

Ray

I could easily live with the low-power, electric leaf blowers. It's the
industrial-strength gas-powered monsters that would wake the dead --
especially when two are going at the same time and a vaccuum as well.
 
C

clot

Nancy said:
It's maddening. Fall is a nightmare with these people going on and on
with those friggin leaf blowers. Last year the next door neighbor's
lawn guy had 4 heavy duty blowers going at the same time. Given that
it's a third of an acre, at least half covered by the house, pool and
patio, why would it take these young guys over 4 hours to get the
leaves off? I felt like going over there with a rake and showing them
how it's done. They hardly even have any trees.

I wish they would be banned. The fumes that come out of them, and
they are worried about my light bulbs? Leaf blowers are a curse.
Leaf blowers/ suckers - environmental impact of production and
operation? Height of self indulgence, idleness and inconsideration of
impact upon the planet. Few seem to have knowledge today of the rake and
purpose of the compost heap!
 
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B

badgolferman

Congressional action would be the best approach, but that's not
likely. However, if city councils can start to agitate by passing
noise-control ordinances, sooner or later the manufacturers would get
the message.
I see you are part of the "there ought to be a law" crowd. Make
everyone else change there lifestyles just to suit you.

Why don't you just go over and ask them kindly when they will be done
and then go out for a ride somewhere so your sensibilities won't be
offended?
 

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