Multi-function tool victory


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Bob F

I posted earlier questioning how to cut cabinets cleanly for a dishwasher. As A
trial project, I took a 36" cabinet I had removed to install a slide in 30"
stove in place of a countertop burner and modified it into a 6" cabinet to fill
the gap next to the stove. Using the harbor freight multi-function tool with the
half round blade and a 2x2 as a guide, I easily cut the cabinet front without
any chips in the finish edge. Again, using the tool, I cut corners out of the
remaining front,bottom and back pieces to duplicate the notching of the
origional cabinet so I could glue and nail the removed side onto the remaining
cabinet. The tool doesn't cut fast, but it is easily controlled for accurate
cuts.

I am glad I bought that tool.
 
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Red Green

I posted earlier questioning how to cut cabinets cleanly for a
dishwasher. As A trial project, I took a 36" cabinet I had removed to
install a slide in 30" stove in place of a countertop burner and
modified it into a 6" cabinet to fill the gap next to the stove. Using
the harbor freight multi-function tool with the half round blade and a
2x2 as a guide, I easily cut the cabinet front without any chips in
the finish edge. Again, using the tool, I cut corners out of the
remaining front,bottom and back pieces to duplicate the notching of
the origional cabinet so I could glue and nail the removed side onto
the remaining cabinet. The tool doesn't cut fast, but it is easily
controlled for accurate cuts.

I am glad I bought that tool.

Oh boy! HF multi-function tool. My favorite tool :)

http://www.dysan.net/Weird/show/686.html
 
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Jeff Thies

I posted earlier questioning how to cut cabinets cleanly for a dishwasher. As A
trial project, I took a 36" cabinet I had removed to install a slide in 30"
stove in place of a countertop burner and modified it into a 6" cabinet to fill
the gap next to the stove. Using the harbor freight multi-function tool with the
half round blade and a 2x2 as a guide, I easily cut the cabinet front without
any chips in the finish edge. Again, using the tool, I cut corners out of the
remaining front,bottom and back pieces to duplicate the notching of the
origional cabinet so I could glue and nail the removed side onto the remaining
cabinet. The tool doesn't cut fast, but it is easily controlled for accurate
cuts.

I am glad I bought that tool.
Me too. I got the variable speed top end model and have used it for
all sorts of little projects. For some things cutting the speed down is
a big help.

Big Lots has their own version of that, with the variable speed, for
$39. I noticed a few other knock offs that they are carrying now also,
quality (or the lack thereof) is unknown.

Jeff
 
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krw

Me too. I got the variable speed top end model and have used it for
all sorts of little projects. For some things cutting the speed down is
a big help.
They also have a LiIon powered, variable-speed version. It was on sale for
$40 a few weeks ago. I'd just made the 60mi trip the weekend before, so
missed it. I have the Dremel version, but would have added the HF cordless
version to my collection (I originally wanted the Bosch, but no one had it
when I needed one).
Big Lots has their own version of that, with the variable speed, for
$39. I noticed a few other knock offs that they are carrying now also,
quality (or the lack thereof) is unknown.
Amazing how fast companies jumped on the thing after the patent ran out.
 
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Smitty Two

Amazing how fast companies jumped on the thing after the patent ran out.
I don't suppose anyone here owns both the Fein and a knockoff, and could
comment on the quality differences. I wonder how much of the Fein price
is based on quality, and how much on their (up until recently)
exclusivity.

I'm sure there are several persons who own an HF or Craftsman knockoff
who'd swear it's as good as Fein, but have never actually used the
original. I take those types of testimonials as pure fiction, even if
it's theoretically possible that they might be true.
 
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Smitty Two

notbob said:
Unfortunately, these small mfg companies don't have the $$$ power of
big conglomerates like the record and pharmaceutical companies which
can bribe slimey pols into changing laws so exclusivity laws extend to
near perpetuity. Last I heard, the copyright on a song was 75 yrs
...AFTER the author dies! Bet Fein wishes they had that kinda clout.

nb
I think a song copyright is a little different. It doesn't prevent
someone else from singing the song, does it?
 
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Smitty Two

If it does the job as advertised by the Fein , has all of the essential
features of the Fein, and lasts as long as the Fein, it is as good as
the Fein.

Yeah, but does it? Logic dictates that you'd have to have a long and
broad range of experience with both tools to answer those questions with
any authority whatsoever. Logic also dictates that it's extraordinarily
unlikely that anyone does. Either you bought a Fein or you bought a
knockoff. I can't think of a very many reasons why anyone would buy
both.
 
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krw

I don't suppose anyone here owns both the Fein and a knockoff, and could
comment on the quality differences. I wonder how much of the Fein price
is based on quality, and how much on their (up until recently)
exclusivity.
Fein's price is based on their patent, which ran out a couple of years ago
(hence all the knock-offs). Fein still has the name. I certainly wouldn't
buy one.
I'm sure there are several persons who own an HF or Craftsman knockoff
who'd swear it's as good as Fein, but have never actually used the
original. I take those types of testimonials as pure fiction, even if
it's theoretically possible that they might be true.
Like I said, I have the Dremel version. In fact I just used it today. It's
been great, though I'd still rather have the Bosch.
 
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Jeff Thies

If they are singing it for pay, it sure does, unless they have the
rights licensed. Sorta like playing recorded music in a bar. The
industry trade associations have systems in place for all that.
Years ago I was part of a live original music bar (no covers). ASCAP
and the like came around all the time trying to collect, but all the
music we had (even recorded) was original and not under their license.
Drove them crazy, but they never got a dime.

Jeff
 
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Smitty Two

aemeijers said:
If they are singing it for pay, it sure does, unless they have the
rights licensed. Sorta like playing recorded music in a bar. The
industry trade associations have systems in place for all that.
Hmm, I didn't know this. So a local band, playing a local club for a few
bucks, and covering all manner of stuff, who do they pay? How do they
pay? When do they pay? How much to they pay? How often do they say "to
hell with it" and don't pay?
 
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Smitty Two

Fein's price is based on their patent, which ran out a couple of years ago
(hence all the knock-offs). Fein still has the name. I certainly wouldn't
buy one.


Like I said, I have the Dremel version. In fact I just used it today. It's
been great, though I'd still rather have the Bosch.
Sometimes you don't know what you're missing. I remember about 25 years
ago, when I used a Makita jigsaw for the first time and learned that not
all jigsaws feel like miniature jackhammers in your hand. Of the
knockoff multimasters, do you think the Bosch is the best? Why?
 
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bud--

Smitty said:
Hmm, I didn't know this. So a local band, playing a local club for a few
bucks, and covering all manner of stuff, who do they pay? How do they
pay? When do they pay? How much to they pay? How often do they say "to
hell with it" and don't pay?
The story I heard (public radio?) is that they go after the club. That
is much easier - there is an entity with assets. They will sue you for
infringement or sell you a license every year.

And that you can't find out if a particular songs are covered so you
can avoid them.
 
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krw

Sometimes you don't know what you're missing. I remember about 25 years
ago, when I used a Makita jigsaw for the first time and learned that not
all jigsaws feel like miniature jackhammers in your hand.
I don't use the multi-X enough for the vibration to matter. The reason I
don't like cheap sabre saws isn't vibration, rather I like to cut straight
lines. My old Crapsman can't. The Bosch does.
Of the
knockoff multimasters, do you think the Bosch is the best? Why?
Cordless and my Impactor and drill batteries (6) fit.
 
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krw

The story I heard (public radio?) is that they go after the club. That
is much easier - there is an entity with assets. They will sue you for
infringement or sell you a license every year.
Correct. The license is determined by the building's occupancy and size of
the dance floor, if any. They probably throw in a bunch of other factors, as
well, but I haven't seen the contracts. Double it, once for BMI and one for
ASCAP. It is *NOT* cheap.
And that you can't find out if a particular songs are covered so you
can avoid them.
They will tell you which artists or publishers they are contracted to. It
really doesn't matter though. They'll sue your ass off just to make their
point to others.
 
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krw

I believe he said RECORDED music,not live music.
they get their recorded music from a provider,who pays the royalties and
adds that to the cost of the service.
If you're paying for MUSAK, or some such, yes. Otherwise, no. You have to
pay them directly, even for playing the radio.
(just like how the sports bars pay royalties for the satellite TV programs
they show in their bars;the provider pays the fee and adds it to the charge
for service.No business can put up a satellite dish and get away with home
service fees,they have to pay so much per seat in the business.)
Yep.

although if the band belongs to a union(doubtful),they may pay royalty
fees. the band may pay some fee through purchases of sheet music.
If they pay royalties, doubtful, that doesn't relieve the venue from their
fees. BMI and ASCAP want it all.
 
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salty

Hmm, I didn't know this. So a local band, playing a local club for a few
bucks, and covering all manner of stuff, who do they pay? How do they
pay? When do they pay? How much to they pay? How often do they say "to
hell with it" and don't pay?
None of the above. The bar pays a flat fee.
 
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krw

Chuckle. BTDT. I too grew up with cheap jigsaws that numbed my hand and
wandered all over the place. About 7-8 years ago, I visited my sister
and BIL, and one day when they were out running errands, I thought I
would surprise them and replace a missing piece of trim around the side
light on the front door. I found a piece of wood the right thickness,
but too wide. Since it was only about six-eight inches to cut, I figured
a jigsaw would work, rather than a real saw. Dug out his Bosch, and was
simply amazed at how smooth and accurate it was. Almost looked like a
factory edge-I barely had to sand it. I'll never use a toy jigsaw again.
Bosch is still too rich for my blood, since I don't make money with
tools any more, but I did splurge on a Makita that feels almost as good
at half the price.
Bosch is pricey, but I don't buy cheap power tools anymore. I've had to
replace them too many times. I am a tool freak, so $150 for a sabre saw is no
big deal. My plan is to retire in a half-dozen, or so, years and do some
serious woodworking. I have the money now, and very few other expenses, so
buy what I want.
 
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Jeff Thies

Bosch is pricey, but I don't buy cheap power tools anymore. I've had to
replace them too many times. I am a tool freak, so $150 for a sabre saw is no
big deal. My plan is to retire in a half-dozen, or so, years and do some
serious woodworking. I have the money now, and very few other expenses, so
buy what I want.
I don't know how you can go wrong with Bosch.

I need to stretch my money though and have been buying Ryobi,
particularly the cordless tools. No complaints on the cordless jigsaw it
has great low speed performance. The 5" cordless skillsaw is great, so
is the 1/2" drill and sawzall.

Sometimes you can just look at the attention to finish and detail to
see how well a tool is made. Bosch doesn't skimp.

I'm not in the Bosch league (except for blades and such), but I am so
done with B&D. Buying cheap tools is a waste of money. I'll see how I
feel about Ryobi in a few years.

Jeff
 
K

krw

I don't know how you can go wrong with Bosch.

I need to stretch my money though and have been buying Ryobi,
particularly the cordless tools. No complaints on the cordless jigsaw it
has great low speed performance. The 5" cordless skillsaw is great, so
is the 1/2" drill and sawzall.
Some of Ryobi's stuff is OK. They have a noise canceling headset that I'm
considering and their battery warranty is excellent. OTOH, I have one of
their circular saws, that while it's far better than the Crapsman it replaced,
is still pretty weak. The DeWalt rear pivot saw that replaced it is far
superior (and the Festool is in a whole 'nuther category).
Sometimes you can just look at the attention to finish and detail to
see how well a tool is made. Bosch doesn't skimp.
I have a few of their tools (12V Impactor, with matching drill and driver,
sabre saw, hammer drill, and pony router, and just in the last couple of
weeks, a 12" SCMS). Dust collection on the miter saw seems to be pretty weak,
but I'm not sure I have everything right on it yet. Still have to read the
instructions. ;-)
I'm not in the Bosch league (except for blades and such), but I am so
done with B&D. Buying cheap tools is a waste of money. I'll see how I
feel about Ryobi in a few years.
About 20 years ago I decided that if I couldn't afford the tools I wanted
would wait until I could. Crappy tools are just too painful to use (expensive
tools only hurt once). Every major project I did around the house was a
justification for another major tool. Since I was doing the work it was an
easy justification. I'm at the point in my life where "I want" and "have a
place to put" is enough justification. ;-)
 
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Oren

Sometimes you can just look at the attention to finish and detail to
see how well a tool is made. Bosch doesn't skimp.
In '04 I bought a five piece Bosch 18V kit in a canvas bag, because
the wife kicked me off the couch.

I paid about $299.00, plus tax for all five pieces.

Short time later I priced just the separate cost of the BOSCH BRUTE
Tough Hammer drill from the kit. Alone it was $269. I never priced out
the jig saw, but of all the tools they are still my favorites.

The drill, I've dropped numerous times from a ladder, hit one man in
the head after he walked under my ladder work area - still works
perfect.

The jig saw has cut plenty of wood flooring needs in numerous houses
and still works great. The best tools in the kit. Two '04 batteries
are dead, but the '07 is working still.
 

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