Joining Timber

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The Medway Handyman

Best way to do end to end joints in 4 x 2 ? In other words to make 2 x
2.4's into a 4.8 ish length.

I was thinking either lap joint & glue & bolts or those spiky washer
things - joint doesn't have to be in line, just resist deflection. Timber
on edge.

Any thoughts?


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Andy Hall

Best way to do end to end joints in 4 x 2 ? In other words to make 2 x
2.4's into a 4.8 ish length.

I was thinking either lap joint & glue & bolts or those spiky washer
things - joint doesn't have to be in line, just resist deflection. Timber
on edge.

Any thoughts?
Umm....

Buy a 5.4m length and cut it down?

What's the application? Will the joint be on show?
 
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Andy Hall

Twas just an example! I need to join to get to 9+ metres.

Bearer for deck - never be seen - ugly no problem!
I assume that the cross sectional dimensions would be more as well :)

I would have thought something like bracing pieces of (say) 1m bolted
through with long coach bolts and the pieces glued with PU glue.
Plane off the treated area for the glued faces.
 
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dom

Fancy would be one of the many variations in scarph joints, but these
often need to be hand cut and take practice.

Assuming you're using the timber as an edge beam, a long vertical lap-
joint with lots of bolts and big washers is probably the simpler
solution
 
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The Medway Handyman

Andy said:
I assume that the cross sectional dimensions would be more as well :)
In this case no. 4 x 2 is the only size that will fit under the door
thresholds, so extra supports will be used.

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Frank said:
A scarf joint sounds appropriate, using plenty of glue and a few nuts
'n' bolts.
You will lose a bit of length though, because of the overlap.
It was good enough lots of years ago for extending telegraph poles,
and there's a fair bit of stress on them...
That was my first thought - telgraph poles? Good enough for
them...............


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John Rumm

The said:
Best way to do end to end joints in 4 x 2 ? In other words to make 2 x
2.4's into a 4.8 ish length.

I was thinking either lap joint & glue & bolts or those spiky washer
things - joint doesn't have to be in line, just resist deflection. Timber
on edge.
lap and timber connectors would work and probably be more than adequate
for a deck.

Alternatively a longish scarf joint, with bolts through the verticals.
(Same technique as can be used to extend a ridge beam in a roof).

You can either do the simple one with a 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 slope on the
timber, glued up and bolts either vertical (or drilled at an angle so as
to be perpendicular to the scarf).

(counter sink the nut and bolt if you want a flat profile):


B B
----------------------------------
/
/
/
--------/-------------------------
B B

(bolts at B)

The stronger one, uses a profile like:
________________________________
\
/
/
/
________ \_____________________


The sloped cut is the same, but does a 90 degree turn a little way in
from each edge on top and bottom. Once glued and bolted this is better
at transferring the bending moment into compressive forces on the top of
the joist, and reduces the shear loading on the glue line.

The first is easy to cut on a SCMS, the latter requires a stopped cut so
is best done with a handsaw or a decent jigsaw. (you cut it in three
goes - the slope from one side to the change in direction at the other
edge, then the cut from the far edge to meet the slope, and finally trim
off the sharp point).
 
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Matty F

Best way to do end to end joints in 4 x 2 ? In other words to make 2 x
2.4's into a 4.8 ish length.

I was thinking either lap joint & glue & bolts or those spiky washer
things - joint doesn't have to be in line, just resist deflection. Timber
on edge.
Drill two 12" holes down each piece and Araldite two pieces of 24" D12
reinforcing steel into the holes.
 
The Medway Handyman said:
Twas just an example! I need to join to get to 9+ metres.

Bearer for deck - never be seen - ugly no problem!
Just lap them above a support.
No need for any extra glue if they are not load bearing in any way.
If you are worried that the screws will not be in-line then butt them and
screw a strip either side.
 
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Arthur 51

LOL!

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Dave
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Which begs the question. Well I think it does anyway.
What size hammer would be needed to belt in a 2.5m long nail.
I am guessing that the hammer head would need to be about the same
size
as row of five 3 story terraced houses. But this is obviously not
based on scientific analysis.

Arthur
 

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