Installing triplex doorbell, one 4wire wire, help with wiring??


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bertbarndoor

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.

Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Screw 2: Black, Yellow

Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….

Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette, but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?

Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob
 
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RBM

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.

Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Screw 2: Black, Yellow

Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….

Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette, but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?

Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob

One of the wires brings power to all three buttons. It is probably the red
wire. So, one screw from each of the three buttons should be attached to
that red wire. Each of the other three wires go to the other screw of their
respective button. You need to touch each one to the red wire, one at a
time, and see which bell rings. Then you can attach them in the proper order
 
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bertbarndoor

One of the wires brings power to all three buttons. It is probably the red
wire. So, one screw from each of the three buttons should be attached to
that red wire. Each of the other three wires go to the other screw of their
respective button. You need to touch each one to the red wire, one at a
time, and see which bell rings. Then you can attach them in the proper order
I agree with your rationale with the red wires.
However, why is the black and yellow tied together on one screw on
Button #2 then?

Thanks,
Rob
 
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mm

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.
You mean "to the door bell buttons", right?

There are three parts to each doorbell circuit, the button, the bell,
and the power transformer, which might be in the basement.

All your doorbells are really separate except they share one
transformer. Specifically, they share the transformer and also the
wire to the buttons, the red wire it seems. The 4-wire wire probably
comes from the transformer area. The other three wires in it are
probably spliced near the transformer, each to a wire that goes to one
of the bells. Also there is wire from each bell that comes back to
the power transformer, to the screw on it that does not have the red
wire.)

RBM's advice is good, but I wanted to give you more background.
Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Because they all share the red wire, I would have expected two bells
to have a red wire coming in, and then continuing to another button,
on TWO of the buttons. You list only one, but further down you talk
about a wirenut, which probably has one red wire coming in and two
going out. Serves the same purpose.
Screw 2: Black, Yellow
The black and yellow probably go (via the basement or wherever the
transformer is, where they are spliced to other wires) to separate
bells. Doorbell two works, but how many bells ring, only one, or
two? You may need an assistant, closer to the bells, especially to
figure out if black is apt. 2 or 3.

It seems to me likely that either the black or yellow should be
removed and attached to screw 2 of doorbell 3. Is there any chance
you moved that wire? This can be true even if only one bell rings
when you press the button. Sometimes one bell will hog the current
and not leave enough for the other bell, especially if they are
different designs. So if only one bell rings, disconnect the black
and push the button with only the yellow connected. Then attach the
black and not the yellow (or touch the black to the red, no
button-push needed, and see if another bell rings.
Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….
At first it bothered me that all three buttons have a red wire, but
there is only one red wire and it comes and then goes to only one
button, not two. Never mind, you explain that with the wire nut below.
Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette,
What's a marrette!
but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?
It seems okay to me.
Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
If you don't want to disconnect wires from the buttons, you can use a
screwdriver blade or metal pliers or a wire with alligator clips on
each end to connect the two screws on one button togeether. You can do
this ONLY because it's low voltage, 12 or 16 vac, volts ac.
 
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RBM

bertbarndoor said:
I agree with your rationale with the red wires.
However, why is the black and yellow tied together on one screw on
Button #2 then?

Thanks,
Rob
Don't know, unless two bells rang off of the same button. With only 4 wires
involved, it can only be one feed and three returns
 
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Tegger

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:29:43 -0700 (PDT), bertbarndoor


What's a marrette!


OP is a unionized Canadian government employee, posting from a taxpayer-
funded government computer, and on taxpayer time (9:30 am). Our tax dollars
at work.

"Marrette" is a brand of wire nut sold in Canada.
 
T

Tegger

OP is a unionized Canadian government employee, posting from a
taxpayer- funded government computer, and on taxpayer time (9:30 am).
Our tax dollars at work.


In case you think I'm joking, I'm not.

"bertbarndoor" posted from IP address 198.103.167.20, which is part of the
federal Public Works department: http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/

He's probably in Alberta.

Hey "bert", are you that guy who got got caught recently spending most of
his workday searching for porn on his government-job computer?
 
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Stormin Mormon

That's my sense, also. Most Republicans are
hard working. It's the liberal Democrats who
tend to avoid work.

Of course, this isn't really relevant to the
original post. I have no experience with
triplex doorbells, so I can't add much there.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


Good catch. But we have slackers in the U.S., too.
Yep. A slight few are Republicans.
 
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Pavel314

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.

Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Screw 2: Black, Yellow

Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….

Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette, but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?

Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob
I would check each of the three bells and see what color wires are
connected to them. Might give a clue.

Paul
 
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Pavel314

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.

Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Screw 2: Black, Yellow

Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….

Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette, but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?

Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob
Just had a thought after that last post; could you replace them all
with wireless buttons? I googled "wireless doorbell" and got lots of
hits.

Paul
 
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hr(bob) hofmann

Just had a thought after that last post; could you replace them all
with wireless buttons? I googled "wireless doorbell" and got lots of
hits.

Paul- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Did the system ever work correctly???
 
J

JIMMIE

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.

Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Screw 2: Black, Yellow

Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….

Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette, but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?

Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob
Normally brief shorts between any two connectors on the bell will not
hurt anything including sparking directly across the transformer. With
this in mind one of the terminals on the bell should have 3 or 4 wires
going to it. This will be a COMMON. I would start out by momentarily
jumping this terminal to each of the other terminals to see what
happens. Sounds like yours was wired by just using one multiwire cable
and running it from the bell to each button picking off the wire that
was needed at each button plus the common. Mine was like that and
wired with telephone wire. I suggest that you to contact the
manufacturer for info. Google is your friend.

Jimmie
 
J

JIMMIE

Installing triplex doorbell, 4wires, help with wiring??

Can someone please help… I am trying to replace a doorbell in a
triplex I live in. Three separate bells, three separate buttons.

There is one 4wire wire (red, green, yellow, black) coming out of the
wall to the door bell.

Doorbell 1
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: Green

Doorbell 2
Screw 1: Red, Red
Screw 2: Black, Yellow

Doorbell 3 ??? (Doesn't work)
Screw 1: Red
Screw 2: ???? Nothing ????
Doorbell 3 is the problem. When I looked at the doorbell, it appeared
that only one red wire was attached to one of the screws. The other
screw didn't have any wire attached. I could be wrong, but the red
wire on Screw 1 looked like it was one of the red wires from doorbell2
on screw 1??? It came loose when I was uninstalling it, so I don't
know. For that matter, it is possible that a wire on screw 2 fell
behind the wall somehow? I really don't know….

Other information: There is a twist on wire connector (marrette) for
the red wire. Currently there is just one red wire coming out of the
marrette, but that doesn't make sense to me. I have to assume that the
marrette was used to split a red, but I can't see it. I suppose
someone could have just been trying to lengthen the red wire, but that
explanation seems somewhat implausible?

Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob

One of the wires brings power to all three buttons. It is probably the red
wire. So, one screw from each of the three buttons should be attached to
that red wire. Each of the other three wires go to the other screw of their
respective button. You need to touch each one to the red wire, one at a
time, and see which bell rings. Then you can attach them in the proper order
 
J

JIMMIE

Normally brief shorts between any two connectors on the bell will not
hurt anything including sparking directly across the transformer. With
this in mind one of the terminals on the bell should have 3 or 4 wires
going to it. This will be a COMMON. I would start out by momentarily
jumping this terminal to each of the other terminals to see what
happens. Sounds like yours was wired by just using one multiwire cable
and running it from the bell to each button picking off the wire that
was needed at each button plus the common. Mine was like that and
wired with telephone wire. I  suggest that you  to contact the
manufacturer for info. Google is your friend.

Jimmie
Yours sounds a lot like the way mine is wired and from the sounds of
things you are on the right track to figuring it out, red is probably
the COMMON. Mine was wired withe telephone wire and the black wire
used as COMMON went to each switch and one of the other wires was
picked off to go back to the bell. Each door had its own sound. I
discovered how mine was wired when we added another back door. I ran
another pair and wired it in parallel with side door which is seldom
used. Sounds like your's was miswired at one switch and that messed up
that one and everything past it.

Jimmie
 
R

Robert Green

JIMMIE said:
Can anyone who understands electricity or doorbells tell me how door
bell 3 should be connected? Thank you!!
-Rob
Normally brief shorts between any two connectors on the bell will not
hurt anything including sparking directly across the transformer. With
this in mind one of the terminals on the bell should have 3 or 4 wires
going to it. This will be a COMMON. I would start out by momentarily
jumping this terminal to each of the other terminals to see what
happens. Sounds like yours was wired by just using one multiwire cable
and running it from the bell to each button picking off the wire that
was needed at each button plus the common. Mine was like that and
wired with telephone wire. I suggest that you to contact the
manufacturer for info. Google is your friend.

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That sounds like a good analysis.

Too bad you can't sketch it. This is where newsgroups really fall down - a
1 minute sketch on a napkin is what's needed. ASCII drawing is a poor
substitute and drawing, scanning and posting to somewhere else is really way
too many steps for someone working for free to want to take.

Sadly, Google isn't the friend it used to be. I see so many sites with so
many deliberately wrong answers (I was looking for why "Annie Oakleys" is
another name for "free tickets") that I now find if I want to explain
something, like multiple doorbell wiring, I'll Google it myself and then
recommend a site that pops up that I believe is accurate answer.

A newbie lacks my knowledge (I hope) of what the right answer should be, so
unleashing them on Google isn't nearly as helpful as it should be. They
don't know enough about the problem to evaluate the bum steers from the good
answers. There's also no review as there is in a newsgroup where if you
tell someone that it's OK to pull a neutral from any nearby circuit, people
will beat you to death. (-: Verbally.

Of course it's perfectly OK to say: "Why not Google a few sites for
"multiwire doorbells" and post what you find and any questions you might
have. Google (alone without review) is not to be trusted anymore with so
many people trying (and succeeding) to game their search algorithms for
commercial gain. )-: Just Google about JC Penny's gaming the system this
last Christmas to make their searches float to the top.
 
M

mm

Yours sounds a lot like the way mine is wired and from the sounds of
things you are on the right track to figuring it out, red is probably
the COMMON. Mine was wired withe telephone wire and the black wire
used as COMMON went to each switch and one of the other wires was
picked off to go back to the bell. Each door had its own sound. I
discovered how mine was wired when we added another back door. I ran
another pair and wired it in parallel with side door which is seldom
used. Sounds like your's was miswired at one switch and that messed up
that one and everything past it.

Jimmie
He has 3 separate bells.
 
B

bertbarndoor

In case you think I'm joking, I'm not.
Tegger
Tegger, I am not a unionized employee. I am a temporary worker on a
contract with no benefits. I posted the message at 12:30pm, during my
unpaid lunch hour. FYI, I am in Ottawa, Ontario, using Eastern
Standard Time. PDT, or Pacific Time, applies to the west coast of
Canada, where it is 3 hours earlier.
 
T

Tegger

Tegger, I am not a unionized employee. I am a temporary worker on a
contract with no benefits.


It's nice to see somebody working for the tax thieves who actually works
under similar conditions to ordinary people.


I posted the message at 12:30pm, during my unpaid lunch hour.


Your original post's headers gave a Pacific time, specifically,
"Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:29:43 -0700 (PDT)"

I guess your department uses a west-coast server.


FYI, I am in Ottawa, Ontario, using Eastern Standard Time.

My apologies.
 
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mm

It's nice to see somebody working for the tax thieves who actually works
under similar conditions to ordinary people.






Your original post's headers gave a Pacific time, specifically,
"Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:29:43 -0700 (PDT)"

I guess your department uses a west-coast server.
Or your news program adjusts the time for where you are.
My apologies.
Aha, well resolved.
 

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