I may have to shut down my company


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geoman

This is no joke, I'm very serious about this.

It is a fact that if Kerry becomes president my tax's will rise to the point
that I can no longer afford to stay in business, period. I currently have to
pay my employee's Social Security, their federal and state unemployment,
insurances and of course fuel and rent.

I cannot take one more percentage of overhead, and history teaches us that
when a democrat is in control tax's go up, never down.

Ohio has lost so many industrial jobs that 2/3's of our industrial base for
customers has been vaporized, and the other companies are doing everything
possible to get every job they can. Then there are the side line workers
taking the residential work.

This is a fact, if Kerry wins it will be very difficult to stay in business.
He and his socialist goons will destroy business here in Ohio and elsewhere.

Anybody else facing problems if the results show Kerry as the winner and
your tax's go up about 15-25%?

Rich
 
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Noon-Air

geoman said:
This is no joke, I'm very serious about this.

It is a fact that if Kerry becomes president my tax's will rise to the
point that I can no longer afford to stay in business, period. I currently
have to pay my employee's Social Security, their federal and state
unemployment, insurances and of course fuel and rent.

I cannot take one more percentage of overhead, and history teaches us that
when a democrat is in control tax's go up, never down.

Ohio has lost so many industrial jobs that 2/3's of our industrial base
for customers has been vaporized, and the other companies are doing
everything possible to get every job they can. Then there are the side
line workers taking the residential work.

This is a fact, if Kerry wins it will be very difficult to stay in
business. He and his socialist goons will destroy business here in Ohio
and elsewhere.

Anybody else facing problems if the results show Kerry as the winner and
your tax's go up about 15-25%?

Rich
Rich, I am in the same boat... my gross reciepts have gone down over 70%
since the price of fuel has gone up. Normally I have a reserve to operate
off of in the slow months, but there is no reserve this year, and the phone
isn't ringing...not even price shoppers.
If Bush wins, some money will flow and I might be able to make this months
bills...they might be a little late, but they will get paid. Should Kerry
win?? all bets are off. It has gotten to the point where I am not going
anywhere or doing anything that isn't going to make me any money....but
thats a two edged sword. My fuel bill is way down and my supply house bill
is way down, however my truck is not being seen, and I am not out and about
trying to drum up business....but my fuel bill is way down and my supply
house bill is way down....but I got another house note and round of utility
bills due... and I am not out being seen....
 
J

Jabs

Rich,
I hear ya and I know exactly what you're talking about. It's depressing at
time but the one thing that keeps me going is the "fact" that it takes 2
HVACR technicians one year to install 1 million-dollars worth of HVACR
equipment, *AND* for every million dollars worth of heating, air
conditioning and refrigeration equipment in operation, it takes
approximately 2½ trained journeyman technicians to maintain and repair that
equipment. Better yet, the equipment is being placed into operation *faster
than* we can produce the 2½ journeyman technicians that this industry needs
to maintain & repair it. Therefore, I believe the problem with this
industry is that most HVACR contractors do not understand or believe in the
enormous wealth that their skills or business is worth per hour. This is
something that the HVACR consolidators knew and why they paid big money to
buy up hundreds of HVACR contracting businesses. The problem, they
discovered later, was that the consolidators could not compete with the
thousands of illiterate HVACR businessman.

Also, I think Kerry is so full of shit that he make me want to vomit.
However, I can never blame this industry's problem on him or anyone else
other than the thousands of business-illiterate HVACR contractors in
business. These are problems that we have brought onto ourselves. I'll bet
you're a hell of a lot better "HVACR journeyman" than you are a "HVAC
businessman". Therefore, maybe you should shut down you business and go work
for someone else who knows and understands business better than you. I
believe the sooner the business-illiterates get out of our business, the
better this business will be. This is no joke either.

Jabs
 
J

Jake

Rich,

Our margins have gotten skinny on some things and fat on others. In the end,
you have to pursue the higher margin work, which can leave some customers
out in the cold... but that's the crappy world we live in.

Our challenger for Governor here in Indiana is promising to change a lot of
things as to the regulation of business... you know, the "hidden" costs of
all that damn paperwork, dealing with regulators, etc. I'm excited with that
prospect if it happens...

On the national front, to answer your question, I'm very concerned about
Kerry getting elected. I do not have the margins to absorb large tax
increases, nor do my customers have the margins to absorb price hikes to
cover them. We are a Sub S corp, and as the President has tried to explain
numerous times, many small business owners like me show a net profit of more
than $200k per year (personally). The figures may show I made $200k, but a
lot of it went into vehicles which immediately depreciate $10k when I title
them, and into tools which (from a professional standpoint) are not assets
but consumables, in real estate to help the company grow, and a myriad of
other out-flows that are considered income or investment when they are
really just small business people putting their money back into their
businesses.

If the tax rates go higher, I dunno what I'll do. Like ALL small businesses,
we have late bills sometimes, and float loans sometimes, and live-out-of-the
mailbox sometimes. We do it because we love it.... but it's becoming a lot
less attractive when we have to give back so much to our all important
government.

Good luck, my Friend. Hang in there if the business is what you love...

Jake
 
G

geoman

Jabs said:
Rich,
I hear ya and I know exactly what you're talking about. It's depressing
at time but the one thing that keeps me going is the "fact" that it takes
2 HVACR technicians one year to install 1 million-dollars worth of HVACR
equipment, *AND* for every million dollars worth of heating, air
conditioning and refrigeration equipment in operation, it takes
approximately 2½ trained journeyman technicians to maintain and repair
that equipment. Better yet, the equipment is being placed into operation
*faster than* we can produce the 2½ journeyman technicians that this
industry needs to maintain & repair it. Therefore, I believe the problem
with this industry is that most HVACR contractors do not understand or
believe in the enormous wealth that their skills or business is worth per
hour. This is something that the HVACR consolidators knew and why they
paid big money to buy up hundreds of HVACR contracting businesses. The
problem, they discovered later, was that the consolidators could not
compete with the thousands of illiterate HVACR businessman.

Also, I think Kerry is so full of shit that he make me want to vomit.
However, I can never blame this industry's problem on him or anyone else
other than the thousands of business-illiterate HVACR contractors in
business. These are problems that we have brought onto ourselves. I'll
bet you're a hell of a lot better "HVACR journeyman" than you are a "HVAC
businessman". Therefore, maybe you should shut down you business and go
work for someone else who knows and understands business better than you.
I believe the sooner the business-illiterates get out of our business, the
better this business will be. This is no joke either.

Jabs
I hear you, but the problem with age and jerks running other business is a
major problem in itself. I bet +90% of those who leave to other green
pastures are jumping from one pot to another.

But one thing you don't understand, our business isn't leaving us, their
closing down!!! 2/3rds of our business base has closed up and more are on
the way. So, where do you go to work, its a major problem everywhere, and it
started in our area long before Bush became President too!

This trade sucks big time. No protection from the government, only
harassments to the legitimate business man andindustry is moving or closing.

Gas is the one thing that is killing me terribly, that and liability
insurance. And now they want to raise my license fee's again.
One thing that Ohio has that really sucks is the hometown employment tax's.
Geoman Jr lives in the neighboring town and he has to pay tax on his income.
If he works in another city he has to pay that tax as well, but he only gets
a small amount of credit for the tax that he would have to pay to the other
cities. Now this isn't fair! Also, if he works in 14 cities a week I
technically have to take out 14 different tax's, one for each city, and each
one is a different rate and goes to a different collection agency. See what
I mean about harassment! A book keepers nightmare just keeping up with that
one item alone.

Anyway, we will all be drinking Vodka and eating potatoes when Kerry and
Klinton's get through with us!
Check this site out
http://www.cpusa.org/

Rich
 
G

geoman

Jake said:
Rich,

Our margins have gotten skinny on some things and fat on others. In the
end,
you have to pursue the higher margin work, which can leave some customers
out in the cold... but that's the crappy world we live in.

Our challenger for Governor here in Indiana is promising to change a lot
of
things as to the regulation of business... you know, the "hidden" costs of
all that damn paperwork, dealing with regulators, etc. I'm excited with
that
prospect if it happens...

On the national front, to answer your question, I'm very concerned about
Kerry getting elected. I do not have the margins to absorb large tax
increases, nor do my customers have the margins to absorb price hikes to
cover them. We are a Sub S corp, and as the President has tried to explain
numerous times, many small business owners like me show a net profit of
more
than $200k per year (personally). The figures may show I made $200k, but a
lot of it went into vehicles which immediately depreciate $10k when I
title
them, and into tools which (from a professional standpoint) are not assets
but consumables, in real estate to help the company grow, and a myriad of
other out-flows that are considered income or investment when they are
really just small business people putting their money back into their
businesses.

If the tax rates go higher, I dunno what I'll do. Like ALL small
businesses,
we have late bills sometimes, and float loans sometimes, and
live-out-of-the
mailbox sometimes. We do it because we love it.... but it's becoming a lot
less attractive when we have to give back so much to our all important
government.

Good luck, my Friend. Hang in there if the business is what you love...

Jake

Because of the refrigerant EPA act, I have had two major customers shut
down, they just could not afford all the extra costs involved in updating
equipment. One grocery store and a very large farm kept Mark and I busy for
several months alone, but one filed bankruptcy and the other said screw it!
Another food supplier of ours closed down, it reopened but they are tight
since they have an older location that is draining everything off.

This isn't a single company issue with me, its a REGULATION and GOVERNMENT
CONTROLLED economy! Too many darn liberals thinking they can steal from us
and give it to the worthless unregenerate that don't want to work and take
responsibility for themselves. Mark is right, when is a politician going to
actually come out and say, " We AREN'T your mother, get your ass to work or
starve!, Become something besides a lazy parasite and expect the tits of
government to provide you everything!"

Everyone be prepared for Mark to come on and rant,, he's really ticked off
after watching Paul's link to the video where Kerry causes the POW's to
suffer more.

Rich
 
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pjm

Because of the refrigerant EPA act, I have had two major customers shut
Everyone be prepared for Mark to come on and rant,, he's really ticked off
after watching Paul's link to the video where Kerry causes the POW's to
suffer more.

Rich
Sometimes I provide insight, and sometimes I provide incite,
and sometimes I provide insightful inciting or inciteful insight :)
 
G

geoman

Sometimes I provide insight, and sometimes I provide incite,
and sometimes I provide insightful inciting or inciteful insight :)
Well this time you provided a worker that was about to do a felony, if you
know what I mean. In 15 years I've never heard Mark that mad.

Rich
 
G

geomanjr

Oh, sorry ! I was polishing my friend, you know , the one that can reach out
and touch someone at long distance.
 
P

pjm

Well this time you provided a worker that was about to do a felony, if you
know what I mean. In 15 years I've never heard Mark that mad.

Rich
I suggest you not send him into any attics for a couple of
days, then.
 
P

pjm

5 inches is not a 'long distance', Mark :)


Oh, sorry ! I was polishing my friend, you know , the one that can reach out
and touch someone at long distance.
 
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Jabs

JB Books said:
Accept the fact that you are not better off than you were four years
ago and Bush must go.
JB Books,
Yeah...yeah...yeah ....we all know that a vote for Kerry is good for the
unions. Back in 1992 during Clinton, I bought our home (just a hovel) for
$189K. Now, I don't know about you JB but four years ago my hovel was only
worth about $200K. Today, comparable hovels in my neighborhood are selling
for *well over* $400K and prices are expected to continue to climb. Boy!
that $500,000 capital gains tax exclusion for a married couple filing
jointly is starting to look better and better.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=105042,00.html

Jabs
 
G

geoman

ftwhd said:
With 2/3's of the industrial base gone it sounds like there not much
left after Bush's scorched business policies. Rich I think you are
being an alarmist on the economic issue. I think if Kerry gets in
things will take off once he straightens out Bush's blunders.

If the money isn't flowing now with Bush, and he's had nearly four
years to make it flow. what makes you think anything is going to
change if he get 4 more years to continue in the same failed way?

Isn't it about time Bush took some blame or is that something that is
not part of the conservative makeup. It's always the same, blame
someone else or denie, denie, denie.

That's all I hear out of you guys, Clinton this and Kerry that, like
they are the root of all your evil. Get real and accept some
responsibility for a change and quit blaming the world for your
misery.

I don't recall such tales of woe when Clinton was in office. :)

Accept the fact that you are not better off than you were four years
ago and Bush must go.

I wonder what the odds are of the courts deciding either way, which
one wins. I hope someone (Kerry) wins in a landslide and we don't
have to go through all the BS of the damn courts picking the President
again.

Mike
UA local 370
Mike, its a fact that the economy was DOWNward when Bush took over, its a
fact that we were in a recession. Then 9-11 made things worse.

Also, all my business that folded up had major problems while Clinton was in
office, this is a fact. I'm not making this up, I'm telling the truth here.

Lastly, many here think that Bush is a conservative, Let me assure you, he
appears to be conservative when standing next to Kerry, but he is a liberal
in my views of being a conservative.

Rich
 
G

geomanjr

Edit -large caliber weapon with " SPECIAL AMMO"-is that better or does this
still sound bad?? ;-)
 
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pjm

Lastly, many here think that Bush is a conservative, Let me assure you, he
appears to be conservative when standing next to Kerry, but he is a liberal
in my views of being a conservative.

Rich
Agreed.

He does have one outstanding quality, though, which makes him
the ONLY choice for President :

He's no John Kerry.
 
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Stormin Mormon

heck, yah. I'm up to my eyeballs in debt.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


This is no joke, I'm very serious about this.

It is a fact that if Kerry becomes president my tax's will rise to the point
that I can no longer afford to stay in business, period. I currently have to
pay my employee's Social Security, their federal and state unemployment,
insurances and of course fuel and rent.

I cannot take one more percentage of overhead, and history teaches us that
when a democrat is in control tax's go up, never down.

Ohio has lost so many industrial jobs that 2/3's of our industrial base for
customers has been vaporized, and the other companies are doing everything
possible to get every job they can. Then there are the side line workers
taking the residential work.

This is a fact, if Kerry wins it will be very difficult to stay in business.
He and his socialist goons will destroy business here in Ohio and elsewhere.

Anybody else facing problems if the results show Kerry as the winner and
your tax's go up about 15-25%?

Rich
 

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