Hoover Steam Vac, brushes stopped - repair/service manual?


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Scott

I borrowed my in-laws Hoover Steam Vac (Dual V widepath, model
F7426-900)... Well, I know for a fact that this is the 3rd one they
have had, as the first 2 were returned for leaks and other problems.
Anyhow, I digress...

Here's the problem, the machine powers on but the brushes won't spin.
When I first turned it on, they were spinning very slowly and I heard a
grinding sound, like there were broken plastic pieces inside.

I do not want to take this thing to a Hoover service center and
probably spend more in repairs than the unit is worth. So, before I
tear into this thing I wanted to have a repair manual to look
through... NOT the owner's manual, but a service manual with exploded
views and part numbers. I want to know how to disassemble the unit
properly, rather than just unscrewing an pulling on things.

Does anyone know where Hoover publishes these manuals? They must have
them somewhere.

Thanks,

Scott
 
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Rich Greenberg

I borrowed my in-laws Hoover Steam Vac (Dual V widepath, model
F7426-900)... Well, I know for a fact that this is the 3rd one they
have had, as the first 2 were returned for leaks and other problems.
Anyhow, I digress...

Here's the problem, the machine powers on but the brushes won't spin.
When I first turned it on, they were spinning very slowly and I heard a
grinding sound, like there were broken plastic pieces inside.

I do not want to take this thing to a Hoover service center and
probably spend more in repairs than the unit is worth. So, before I
tear into this thing I wanted to have a repair manual to look
through... NOT the owner's manual, but a service manual with exploded
views and part numbers. I want to know how to disassemble the unit
properly, rather than just unscrewing an pulling on things.

Does anyone know where Hoover publishes these manuals? They must have
them somewhere.
They are likely on the hoover web site. Try:

http://www.hoover.com/db/hvrCustomer.asp

on that page is a place to put in model & serial for manuals, parts &
information. Or try customer service @ 330-499-9499.
 
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Scott

They are likely on the hoover web site. Try:
http://www.hoover.com/db/hvrCustomer.asp

on that page is a place to put in model & serial for manuals, parts &
information. Or try customer service @ 330-499-9499.


Trust me, this is the first place I went... what a joke! They do have
the users manual online, which is completely worthless. Their idea of a
replacement part is cleaning solution.

Their parent company, Maytag, has a nice part lookup for appliances...
it shows exploded views in great detail.

I don't know if Hoover just wants to force you to one of their service
centers or what. All I know is that those repair manuals are somewhere;
I just need to find someone to tell me where they are... Customer
services will not tell me anything other than directing me to a service
center.

I do know this... I will never by another Maytag or Hoover product
again. I'll spare you the problems I had with my Maytag Neptune...
 
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Scott

Art said:
We are on our first one and we have a large house of carpeting. I suspect
your in-laws abused it. Our has been trouble free for many years.

OK, how does that response help??? I don't care that yours is fine...
and no, its not from abuse, the thing is brand new (two uses).

After further digging, it turns out that Turbine Gear Assembly is
bad... I found one on eBay for 20.00, so it's worth repairing, but I
still think the thing is poorly made. However, it does clean well.
 
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Chuck B.

Scott said:
***UPDATE***

I found the problem and took the time to document it with some
pictures:

http://www.sacreativeservices.com/forum_stuff/steam_vac/

Hopefully this will help someone else that encounters the same problem.

Later,

Scott
Thanks for the pictures. I also have one of those machines and had to
replace some of the parts. I just started to remove screws until I got
to the brushes. Parts were sold by local Hoover parts guy.
 
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Rain

Don't you just love plastic, high stress gears? I realise this post is
no help now that you found the problem. But, don't be suprised when it
breaks again. I found with that particular machine it works fine and
for a long time on very short carpet but trying to clean anything with
any kind of length to it seems to put to much stress on the pos plastic
parts and they crack, break or strip all the teath.
 
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jvminnick

these pictures were incredibly helpful. i could not not figure out how
to get the cover off until I saw these photos (i could see what screws
he had been removed and which he had not; that allowed me to figure out
how to take it off without breaking something).

before you replace or disassemble the turbine, check the spring that
connects to the on/off switch. you have to remove the cover to see
this.

as it turns out, my problem was not the brush turbine -- a spring had
come loose on the brushes' on/off switch (see right side of Scott's
first photo).

the way the turbine works is that the on/off switch opens and closes a
little door that controls wind from the vacuum. when the switch is in
the 'on' position, the little door is open, allowing wind to go inside
the turbine and turn the gears inside, and they in turn cause the
brushes to spin. in my case, the spring came loose, the little door
stayed closed, and no wind got in no matter how much i played with the
switch on the outside. the whole thing is actually a pretty simple
construction.

i did put some grease and WD40 on the inside of the turbine, which had
started to rust a little.

my model is a steamvac 7431-900.

good luck, and thanks again Scott for taking the time to post pictures.
could not have done it without you and you probably saved me a bundle
in repair costs.
 
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Tony Hwang

Scott said:
I borrowed my in-laws Hoover Steam Vac (Dual V widepath, model
F7426-900)... Well, I know for a fact that this is the 3rd one they
have had, as the first 2 were returned for leaks and other problems.
Anyhow, I digress...

Here's the problem, the machine powers on but the brushes won't spin.
When I first turned it on, they were spinning very slowly and I heard a
grinding sound, like there were broken plastic pieces inside.

I do not want to take this thing to a Hoover service center and
probably spend more in repairs than the unit is worth. So, before I
tear into this thing I wanted to have a repair manual to look
through... NOT the owner's manual, but a service manual with exploded
views and part numbers. I want to know how to disassemble the unit
properly, rather than just unscrewing an pulling on things.

Does anyone know where Hoover publishes these manuals? They must have
them somewhere.

Thanks,

Scott
Hi,
No spare belt?
 
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Scott

***Another Update***

When I got the replacement turbine gear assembly, I took it apart to
see if there were any improvements.

They did put a much better barring inside, maybe that was the root
cause of the failure?

Anyhow... works fine for now.

Later,

Scott
 
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kstar24

Scott said:
***UPDATE***

I found the problem and took the time to document it with some
pictures:

http://www.sacreativeservices.com/forum_stuff/steam_vac/

Hopefully this will help someone else that encounters the sam
problem.

Later,

Scott

Scott,

I found this very helpful. I have managed to get mine apart but I d
not see anything broke. Can you tell me if you can turn the gears b
hand using the brush? I hope this makes sense. If not please contact m
via e-mail.
Thank you
Ki
 
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spsuamin

Scott,

I found this very helpful. I have managed to get mine apart but I do
not see anything broke. Can you tell me if you can turn the gears by
hand using the brush? I hope this makes sense. If not please contact me
via e-mail.
Thank you
Kim


Scott
Found your pictures very useful. I opened mine up and fortunetly did
not find a broken turbine disc but instead just a very jammed disc. I
slowly hand turned the gear, important word is slowly so as not to
break the disc, and managed to get the disc through a rough spot. The
disc rotated freely after this so I assembled everything back together
and the vacuuam works fine. I wonder what caused it to get stuck in
the first place. Hoover definetly could have used some better anti
corroding bearings.

Kim if your still having problems, I wouldn't recommend turning the
gears at the brushes but instead try to disassemble everything and get
down to the turbine disc and then try to slowly rotate the disc.

Thanks For your help Scott
 
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Smitty Two

(e-mail address removed) (nesschap) spammed

Scott..you wrote quite a few years back but am hoping you see this. I
believe I have the same problem but where did you get the instructions to
take the steam vac apart to replace the turbine gear assembly..I am sure
that is what it is..thanks for any help..
Scott's dead. We hanged him for spamming our group. You're next. Stay
off the SUCK-O company and come directly to USENET if you want to
participate.
 
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Lefty

responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/Hoover-Steam-Vac-brushes-stopped-repair-service-manual-158636-.htm
Lefty wrote:
***UPDATE***
I found the problem and took the time to document it with some
pictures:
http://www.sacreativeservices.com/forum_stuff/steam_vac/
Hopefully this will help someone else that encounters the same problem.
Later,
Scott
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For a Hoover SteamVac model F5893-900, If your Brushes don't turn, and the
Brush Indicator
doesn't move, try to following:
Be sure the Brush Speed selector isn't OFF, Have the handle NOT in the
upright position,
and the Brush Indicator screen is cleaned. (See page 7 instructions)

UNPLUG the cleaner, remove the Cleaning Solution tank and Recovery tanks.
Release the handle and
lay it on the floor.
Refer to the Diagram.
Remove screws 1 and 2, LOOSEN but don't remove screw 3.
Remove the Duct Assy (6), lift off the indicator knob (9)
Flip the unit over and remove the two BLACK screws (33) that hold the
Hood (12) on.
Flip the unit back over, and With a screw-driver pry off the tabs
under the back of the
hood. Breaking the Black plastic around the tabs will not effect the
unit. Lift the hood
off. You Do Not have to take the clear plastic cover off the hood.
(silver screws).
Flip the unit over, and remove the long silver screws (34) that hold
the turbine assy
on from below, and then flip the unit over and remove the two screws
(14) on the front of
the turbine assy. Pull the fluid hose off, and the turbine assy
should slide out off the
front.
At This Point, See if the Brush Assy will turn Manually. Sometimes items
jam in the brush gears.
Use a screw-driver and try to turn the Turbine Assy gears. (where the
brush assy connects) It
will move SLOWLY. (reduction gears) If this is jammed, the shafts of
the turbine may be dry
and need grease. WD40 Will be Washed Off, you need GREASE. Sometimes
the turbine wheel
will crack, other times the shaft on the turbine will dry-out (grease).

Brush Assy Jammed:
If one of the tabs INSIDE the Brush Assy breaks off, and Jamms the
gears, the brushes will
either not turn, or only go around Almost Once and then stop. (PLASTIC
Parts)
The Brush Assy (32) is held in the Main Body (35) by 4 push-clips. Slowly
and Carefully pry
these back with a screwdriver blade, and the Brush Assy will drop from the
Main Body.
Once out, there are 6 clips (3 on a side) that hold the Clear Plastic
Sides on the Brush Assy.
From either end pry the sides apart, as you work your way down the side
clips with a small
flat screwdriver. Pry the small clips until the clear side releases, and
go to the next clip.
Once the Sides are removed, the brushes will drop out, except for the
brush with the
Brush Indicator on it. Look for Broken Items/Dirt/Ect jamming the
movement of the gears,
and remove it. Re-assemble the Brush Assy in the reverse order, Being
Careful not to break any
of the clips. Push the Brush Assy back up into the Main Body until the
clips 'Click'.
 
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Lefty

responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/Hoover-Steam-Vac-brushes-stopped-repair-service-manual-158636-.htm
Lefty wrote:
For a Hoover SteamVac model F5893-900, If your Brushes don't turn, and
the
Brush Indicator
doesn't move, try to following:
Be sure the Brush Speed selector isn't OFF, Have the handle NOT in
the
upright position,
and the Brush Indicator screen is cleaned. (See page 7 instructions)
 
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jackie

replying to Scott, jackie wrote:
I realize this thread is old, but, my steam vac is having this problem,
what I have found so far is the little green plastic piece that going to
the turbine is twisted off, but when I turn it on without the brushes on
the little square where the that piece goes doesn't spin, so I don't know
if I just need a new brush set or a brush and a turbine motor. Hope
someone can help. the link Scott put up doesn't work anymore.
 
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jmculak

replying to Scott, jackie wrote:

I realize this thread is old, but, my steam vac is having this problem,

what I have found so far is the little green plastic piece that going to

the turbine is twisted off, but when I turn it on without the brushes on

the little square where the that piece goes doesn't spin, so I don't know

if I just need a new brush set or a brush and a turbine motor. Hope

someone can help. the link Scott put up doesn't work anymore.



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Jackie, unfortunately it sounds like you will need at least a new brush set, and possibly a new turbine. You may get lucky and find that like a previous poster did the spring has fallen off thus not allowing any air into theturbine. To diagnose further will require you to almost completely disassemble the bottom portion of the cleaner. Not sure if you are mechanically inclined enough to be comfortable doing that, or if you may know someone who is. Worse case scenario is you have to take it to an appliance service center to get them to look at it. If you go that route I would recommend telling them that you do not want to pay more than X amount of dollars to fixit, as you can buy a brand new one for around $200. Hope this helps and good luck.
 
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Jackie

jackie wrote:

I realize this thread is old, but, my steam vac is having this problem, what
I
have found so far is the little green plastic piece that going to the turbine is
twisted off, but when I turn it on without the brushes on the little square
where the that piece goes doesn't spin, so I don't know if I just need a new
brush set or a brush and a turbine motor. Hope someone can help. the link Scott
put up doesn't work anymore.


Hi here"s what i did,
first might sure that that green square pin isn't twisted off, if it is
replace the brushes.
if you can put something in the square hole in the bottom of the machine
where the pin fits, if it turns the turbine is it ok, if not you have a
bad turbine( when going to purchase one, compare it to the one you have.)
The brushes will not spin if the handle is locked up, it has to be in the
push position.
 
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Chris

Jackie wrote:

I
turbine is
Scott
Hi here"s what i did,
first might sure that that green square pin isn't twisted off, if it is replace
the brushes.
if you can put something in the square hole in the bottom of the machine where
the pin fits, if it turns the turbine is it ok, if not you have a bad turbine(
when going to purchase one, compare it to the one you have.)
The brushes will not spin if the handle is locked up, it has to be in the push
position.

I am having this same problem, but the links with the diagrams and repair
manuals are broken. Does anyone have a saved copy of them?
 
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bob haller

I had 2 units that over time failed, brushes quit turning. the local service center claimed the problem was from using the wrong detergent.....

service cost more than a new unit,so i bought a new one but then the second one failed after using only hoover detergent.....

so i tossed the plastic junk and pulled up all the remaining carpet.....
 
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