Garden shredders


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newshound

I'm tarting up the dumping area at the end of the garden, so will be
losing my "bonfire" space. I've got assorted shrubs and a hedge so have
a certain amount of cuttings and trimmings to get rid of periodically. I
wondered if I can get away with a shredder (the council are going to
start collecting bagged stuff, or I guess shreddings can go on my horse
muck-heap). Any comments, advice, recommendations on hardware?
 
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philipuk

I'm tarting up the dumping area at the end of the garden, so will be
losing my "bonfire" space. I've got assorted shrubs and a hedge so have
a certain amount of cuttings and trimmings to get rid of periodically. I
wondered if I can get away with a shredder (the council are going to
start collecting bagged stuff, or I guess shreddings can go on my horse
muck-heap). Any comments, advice, recommendations on hardware?
They are useless, very very noisy and clog constantly. Only worth
considering if your garden is tiny.

Philip
 
F

fred

I'm tarting up the dumping area at the end of the garden, so will be
losing my "bonfire" space. I've got assorted shrubs and a hedge so have
a certain amount of cuttings and trimmings to get rid of periodically. I
wondered if I can get away with a shredder (the council are going to
start collecting bagged stuff, or I guess shreddings can go on my horse
muck-heap). Any comments, advice, recommendations on hardware?
Well they can clog easily, especially on green leafy foliage so best get one that is easily un-clogged. We have a Bear Cat machine that required the removal of 4 bolts to un-clog it. That got tired very quick so I stuck a hinge on it to allow the feed funnel fold back.

But they are useful for making compost.
 
R

Reentrant

They are useless, very very noisy and clog constantly. Only worth
considering if your garden is tiny.

Philip
Clearly you've never seen or used a Bosch Quiet Shredder.

We used to have an AXT2000 which used a spiral cutter (like a
meat-mincer) and was very quiet but did start to clog when the cutter
got blunt.

I replaced it with an AXT2200 which uses a large, slowly-turning cog
against a sacrificial plate. It's just as quiet (84dB apparently) and
never clogs.
 
D

Dave Liquorice

They are useless, very very noisy and clog constantly.
Only the hi-speed rotary type are really noisy, clogging is down to
feeding the thing too much soft green material. Best to leave fresh
trimmings to dry for a few days before shredding.
 
T

The Natural Philosopher

newshound said:
I'm tarting up the dumping area at the end of the garden, so will be
losing my "bonfire" space. I've got assorted shrubs and a hedge so have
a certain amount of cuttings and trimmings to get rid of periodically. I
wondered if I can get away with a shredder (the council are going to
start collecting bagged stuff, or I guess shreddings can go on my horse
muck-heap). Any comments, advice, recommendations on hardware?
yes shreddings will compost well.
Just makje suire te sgreeder is man enough for wahatver you want to put
through it.

I personally leave them where they fall and ruin a 13 hp rortary mower
over the top. A week or two later and they are all dust and ashes so to
speak.

Worms eat grass clippings and general leafiness. wood fibres seem to
meed fungal action to break them down, but it all helps make better topsoil.

I wouldn't give it to the council if you have any space to compost it -
even if its just on a patch of rough lawn.
 
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Bob Minchin

Stephen said:
Seconded. I've had one for several years and it's been very reliable, quiet
and nearly uncloggable; on the rare occasions it does clog you simply press
the 'reverse' button. It will also chomp branches up to an inch diameter,
which it self-feeds happily.

Stephen
Thirded!
AXT2200
Excellent machine
 
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harry

I'm tarting up the dumping area at the end of the garden, so will be
losing my "bonfire" space. I've got assorted shrubs and a hedge so have
a certain amount of cuttings and trimmings to get rid of periodically. I
wondered if I can get away with a shredder (the council are going to
start collecting bagged stuff, or I guess shreddings can go on my horse
muck-heap). Any comments, advice, recommendations on hardware?

I have a shredder, wonderful.
Don't get the ones with the high speed rotating disk & cutters.
Get the one with the sharpened cog wheels or the worm device.
I shred all wood up the about 30mm dia & compost it.
Canb e used as a mulch to stopp weeds too.

Needs to be done when the wood is green.
 
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newshound

I'm tarting up the dumping area at the end of the garden, so will be
losing my "bonfire" space. I've got assorted shrubs and a hedge so have
a certain amount of cuttings and trimmings to get rid of periodically. I
wondered if I can get away with a shredder (the council are going to
start collecting bagged stuff, or I guess shreddings can go on my horse
muck-heap). Any comments, advice, recommendations on hardware?
Thanks to all, some very useful and almost entirely consistent advice there!
 
N

newshound

Looking on the Bosch site, the AXT2000 Rapid and AXT2200 Rapid are both
rapid spinning blade types. The AXT 22D and 23D Quiet are the cog and
plate version while the AXT 23TC and 25TC Quiet are turbine cut which
maybe your 'mincer' version.

Have you got the models right or have Bosch changed them?
Bugger, I think they must have. Just ordered a 2200 from Amazon too.
Should have looked more carefully. OTOH Amazon seem to have a good track
record for exchanging stuff.
 
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harry

Bugger, I think they must have. Just ordered a 2200 from Amazon too.
Should have looked more carefully. OTOH Amazon seem to have a good track
record for exchanging stuff.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Always see before you buy.
 
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Reentrant

Looking on the Bosch site, the AXT2000 Rapid and AXT2200 Rapid are both
rapid spinning blade types. The AXT 22D and 23D Quiet are the cog and
plate version while the AXT 23TC and 25TC Quiet are turbine cut which
maybe your 'mincer' version.

Have you got the models right or have Bosch changed them?
Both - I got the models right and Bosch have changed them.

Some info here: http://www.fredshed.co.uk/boschshredders.htm

Quoting: "The 22D and 25D use the same cog mechanism as my old
favourite, the AXT2200HP, but now have built in collection boxes.
The AXT23TC and AXT25TC models use a new turbine cutting mechanism that
shreds hard and soft material."

There's a video of the turbine mechanism here:
 
R

Reentrant

I wonder if the turbine cut versions suffer from the same problem as the
spinning plate ones, that is lack of torque leading to regular stalling
and laborious dismantling to clear.

The cog and plate would seem to be a slower, higher torque system, and
with reverse would seem to be a better bet.
It looks look like the Turbo range are low speed / high torque like all
the other Quiet range. There's a better demo here (not an animation):
 
N

newshound

Beyond a certain point (once it's packed, being packed or something I
guess) you can't cancel an order, but there will be no problem sending
it back, though you will have to pay the return postage for a mis
purchase normally.
Looking at the Amazon reviews, the Rapid 2200 with cutter rather than
cogs seems generally to have good reviews. I think I'm going to give it
a go and then post a review, giving suitably grumpy warnings about the
confusing change of number. The "modern" 2200 is significantly cheaper
than the cog based 25 D Quiet.

Thanks to all for the various suggestions.
 
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T i m

Looking at the Amazon reviews, the Rapid 2200 with cutter rather than
cogs seems generally to have good reviews. I think I'm going to give it
a go and then post a review, giving suitably grumpy warnings about the
confusing change of number. The "modern" 2200 is significantly cheaper
than the cog based 25 D Quiet.
That's what we bought a while back after quite a bit of deliberation.

Part of the logic was the cost of replacing the 'blades' on the
turbine or cog versions, v the fairly simple flat blade type.

In use it's effectiveness and efficiency really depend on two things.

The shape and density of the material being shredded and the sharpness
of the blade(s).

We first took down and pretty well entirely shredded the greenery of a
conifer of some sort. Daughter and her b/f then trimmed off and
stacked up everything smaller than about 1" in diameter and I fed it
though the shredder. When I say 'fed it though' that was mainly just
standing a length (or two / three, if thin enough) in the hopper and
the lengths just seemed to fall though. I was chipping it straight
into 'garden bags' are there are two projections onto which you can
hook the handles of the bags (there is quite a draught blowing through
the shredder as it's part of the motor cooling cct). So, the biggest
issue there was how fast it could fill each bag!

If it ever get's overloaded (too much at once or a particularly hard /
big bit) it cuts off and you just have to turn it off and on again. No
need for reverse, you just take the load off the blade, restart and
off it goes again.

If it does jam (and it hardly ever did on the conifer) it's just one
long threaded hand screw to open the entire front up and access the
hopper / blades etc (the 'hopper' is actually split in two with the
front off like that).

The next tree was an old crab apple. That wasn't half as easy because
it was extremely gnarly and miss shapen (no nice long straight runs
like the conifer) so the biggest task was threading the stuff into the
mouth of the hopper. Secondly, much of it was dry / dead / stick-like
and sounded more like you were planeing a length of dowel than
shredding greenery. ;-)

Again, and *as long as you keep the blade sharp* (I kept a fresh edge
on it with a diamond sharpener every few hours or changed the blade
over maybe once in a days work) and were a bit selective what you put
through it, it worked very well.

For the rest ... brambles or general leaves and other garden waste ...
again, the long straight stuff tends to fall straight though, the
bulkier more leafy stuff required the use of the plastic 'pusher'
(supplied), but again, rarely clogs / jams with that stuff (although
it does need more 'feeding' that the sticks).

As I said at the beginning, blades are quite cheap, can be found
easily in most sheds and are quick to change (pozidrive screwdriver
and two screws). The problem with all these devices is when you get a
stone in there and how then you finish your job with a £100+ 'blade'
that's now mullered? ;-(

So, we think they are brilliant. Not the quietest or highest capacity
things in the world [1] but with the right stuff they are pretty fast
so you won't be out there with it on all day (although we worked ours
8 hrs a day for three days straight and it was faultless). Definitely
wear hearing protection, goggles (stuff can whip round) and gloves.

YMMV of course.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Both the kids are tree surgeons so are used to 'proper' 6"+
'chippers'. Both agreed this was a good bit of kit for the money and
size / weight etc.

p.s. We typically ended up with:
Chogs (mainly the trunk)
Logs (sections of branch)

These we given to people to store / burn.

Sticks (A bit too big to go through the shredder, took to the dump or
wete taken to burn)

And many many bags of shreddings where we used some for compost and
stuffed the rest in the green bins. ;-)
 
N

newshound

Looking at the Amazon reviews, the Rapid 2200 with cutter rather than
cogs seems generally to have good reviews. I think I'm going to give it
a go and then post a review, giving suitably grumpy warnings about the
confusing change of number. The "modern" 2200 is significantly cheaper
than the cog based 25 D Quiet.
That's what we bought a while back after quite a bit of deliberation.

Part of the logic was the cost of replacing the 'blades' on the
turbine or cog versions, v the fairly simple flat blade type.

In use it's effectiveness and efficiency really depend on two things.

The shape and density of the material being shredded and the sharpness
of the blade(s).

We first took down and pretty well entirely shredded the greenery of a
conifer of some sort. Daughter and her b/f then trimmed off and
stacked up everything smaller than about 1" in diameter and I fed it
though the shredder. When I say 'fed it though' that was mainly just
standing a length (or two / three, if thin enough) in the hopper and
the lengths just seemed to fall though. I was chipping it straight
into 'garden bags' are there are two projections onto which you can
hook the handles of the bags (there is quite a draught blowing through
the shredder as it's part of the motor cooling cct). So, the biggest
issue there was how fast it could fill each bag!

If it ever get's overloaded (too much at once or a particularly hard /
big bit) it cuts off and you just have to turn it off and on again. No
need for reverse, you just take the load off the blade, restart and
off it goes again.

If it does jam (and it hardly ever did on the conifer) it's just one
long threaded hand screw to open the entire front up and access the
hopper / blades etc (the 'hopper' is actually split in two with the
front off like that).

The next tree was an old crab apple. That wasn't half as easy because
it was extremely gnarly and miss shapen (no nice long straight runs
like the conifer) so the biggest task was threading the stuff into the
mouth of the hopper. Secondly, much of it was dry / dead / stick-like
and sounded more like you were planeing a length of dowel than
shredding greenery. ;-)

Again, and *as long as you keep the blade sharp* (I kept a fresh edge
on it with a diamond sharpener every few hours or changed the blade
over maybe once in a days work) and were a bit selective what you put
through it, it worked very well.

For the rest ... brambles or general leaves and other garden waste ...
again, the long straight stuff tends to fall straight though, the
bulkier more leafy stuff required the use of the plastic 'pusher'
(supplied), but again, rarely clogs / jams with that stuff (although
it does need more 'feeding' that the sticks).

As I said at the beginning, blades are quite cheap, can be found
easily in most sheds and are quick to change (pozidrive screwdriver
and two screws). The problem with all these devices is when you get a
stone in there and how then you finish your job with a £100+ 'blade'
that's now mullered? ;-(

So, we think they are brilliant. Not the quietest or highest capacity
things in the world [1] but with the right stuff they are pretty fast
so you won't be out there with it on all day (although we worked ours
8 hrs a day for three days straight and it was faultless). Definitely
wear hearing protection, goggles (stuff can whip round) and gloves.

YMMV of course.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Both the kids are tree surgeons so are used to 'proper' 6"+
'chippers'. Both agreed this was a good bit of kit for the money and
size / weight etc.

p.s. We typically ended up with:
Chogs (mainly the trunk)
Logs (sections of branch)

These we given to people to store / burn.

Sticks (A bit too big to go through the shredder, took to the dump or
wete taken to burn)

And many many bags of shreddings where we used some for compost and
stuffed the rest in the green bins. ;-)
That's very encouraging. I did in fact order a spare blade which has
already arrived. I'm probably not going to get through the volume of
stuff that you have. Good to hear that it deals with both "wood" and
"brambles". I also have a woodburner which I fired up last night and got
rid of a bag full of stuff between 1 and 2 inches. As an aside, the
little Black and Decker cordless chainsaw is brilliant for this sort of
stuff.
 
D

Dave Liquorice

As an aside, the little Black and Decker cordless chainsaw is brilliant
for this sort of stuff.
Interesting, how long does the battery last? What model?
 
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T i m

That's very encouraging. I did in fact order a spare blade which has
already arrived.
They are very sharp! You need to stop the blade rotating when you take
it out (which you can do 'under' the plate that goes over it) so I
think I found an old Philips screwdriver or some such to keep with it
that acts as a holding tool (there is a suitable hole in the ally
plate that goes over the blade for the purpose).
I'm probably not going to get through the volume of
stuff that you have. Good to hear that it deals with both "wood" and
"brambles".
Oh, and Hawthorn but you really do need the strong leather gloves for
that.
I also have a woodburner which I fired up last night and got
rid of a bag full of stuff between 1 and 2 inches.
Yup. That was the range that is often most awkward to get rid of.
As an aside, the
little Black and Decker cordless chainsaw is brilliant for this sort of
stuff.
I've also considered one of those as although we have a proper (but
cheap) electric chainsaw [1] I'd generally rather get some exercise
with my bow saw than much about with that. ;-)

The B&D 'Alligator jobbies look pretty safe to use though.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Bought for daughter when she was doing chainsaw carving demos at
arb shows and carving in the back garden. ;-)
 

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