Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.

[Guest]

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans, peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

 

[Rod Speed]

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply chaos,

You wouldnt know what real food supply chaos was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food crops,

Pig ignorant lie.

speculators abroad

Corse there are never any of those inside the country, eh ?

have taken their bales of dollarpesos and bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a higher price.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise livestock instead of rice,

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans, peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense to plant marijuana, stupid.

I recommend others do the same this season in their backyards if they have them.

I recommend you top yourself.

I don't think

You did manage to get that bit right, likely by accident.

there will be acute food shortages this year in the
USA, but grocery prices are high and getting higher.

Thats what inflation produces, stupid.

It will also save the fossile fuel

No such animal.

to get it from the farm to your table.

In spades if you had a clue and grew marijuana, stupid.

I would raise meat but codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

Wota pathetic wimp.

 

[Seerialmom]

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans, peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in South America.

 

[Rod Speed]

COngrats!!

Hope you enjoy the process and your yield is great!

Rod Speed appears to be a government provocateur

You wouldnt know what a real government provocateur was if one bit you on your lard arse, spammer.

 

[Rod Speed]

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in South America.

Rats are raised in huge numbers in New York apartments.

 

[Guest]

You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in South America.

I think that's an excellent idea, I used to hunt them and eat them as a boy. I don't want to get a neighborhood reputation as the easter bunny killer, though...any other protien ideas? Thanks to cheapogroovo for the encouragement, maybe next year I will grow barley and brew some beer...-Jitney

 

[Dave Bugg]

The per usual republicrat farm socialism....

I think you meant "The per usual GoreCrat Greenie enviro-socialism.

Growing crops-for-fuel is the mantra of the man-made global warming, petroleum is evil crowd.

 

[Seerialmom]

I think that's an excellent idea, I used to hunt them and eat them as a boy. I don't want to get a neighborhood reputation as the easter bunny killer, though...any other protien ideas? Thanks to cheapogroovo for the encouragement, maybe next year I will grow barley and brew some beer...-Jitney- Hide quoted text -

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How about snakes?

 

[Nate Nagel]

How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology and money, couldn't? Looks like sugar cane is much more efficient than corn. Brazilian started the ethanol program since the start of the oil crisis during the 1970s while we're only getting started now when oil is hitting $100 per barrel. I wouldn't be surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by year end.

Sugar cane is, in fact, a much better source of ethanol than corn.

nate

 

[Dave Bugg]

How come Brazil could get away from dino oil and we, with all our technology and money, couldn't?

They haven't. The amount of petroleum for cars has been supplemented, but Brazil still uses large amounts of petroleum for other products. In fact Brazil just found one of the largest oil reserves in the hemisphere and will be developing it. Last I heard, they expect to be producing a couple of million barrels per day. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aBUoYKhu7PWk&refer=latin_america http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4563896.stm

Looks like sugar cane is much more
efficient than corn.

That's why they (Brazilian farmers) are now turning huge tracts of Amazonian rain forest (jungle) into sugar cane production in order to sustain the ethanol production program. Brazil, of course, denies any impact on the jungle.

Brazilian started the ethanol program since the
start of the oil crisis during the 1970s while we're only getting started now when oil is hitting $100 per barrel. I wouldn't be surprised if oil will hit $200 per barrel by year end.

The problem is the amount of farmable land for food or fuel production, which includes water for irrigation. Right now it is a finite pie..... you take a slice for fuel crops and that reduces the slices available for food crops.

 

[Don Klipstein]

Use of fuel for food is pure stupidity. Studies have shown that the fuel you get out is about equal to the energy you put in.

Although you raise other valid points, the lack of energy gain is now mainly rumor that keeps getting passed on rather than truth. It was supported by one study since debunked for assuming that all corn production requires irrigation.

- Don Klipstein

 

[sonofagun]

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans, peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

If all the obese Americans had liposuction, the fat sucked out of their fat asses could be used to power all the vehicles in America for the next decade or longer. Fat is pure energy meant to be burned, and that does not mean burning fat at the gym.

 

[Frank (archive)]

How come we can't convince the tree hugers to go jump off a cliff, so we can build some more refineries, and drill the oil that's on US soil?

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Tree hugger in today's paper had a column admitting ethanol failure. But, in typical liberal fashion, said they meant well and now should muck up something else ;(

 

[mkirsch1]

The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it. So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans, peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in my 'burb won't allow it.

Grocery prices are "high?" We've got the cheapest food supply in the world, and a long way to go before that's no longer true.

Everywhere else in the world food, fuel, and taxes eat up most of a family's income. Here we whine and cry about how food is sooooo expensive when we have to pay 25 cents more for a gallon of milk.

My father has spent his entire life dirt poor working his ass off on a farm to provide you with that cheap food. My mother has spent the last 35 years dirt poor and has worked herself almost to death to provide you with that cheap food. My brother and sister grew up dirt poor working their asses off on the farm to provide you with that cheap food. I grew up dirt poor working my ass off on the farm to provide you with that cheap food.

You make me sick.

 

[Dave Bugg]

Grocery prices are "high?"

Yes, and getting higher.

We've got the cheapest food supply in the world, and a long way to go before that's no longer true.

That's only a reasonable argument if we lived elsewhere in the world. We don't. We live in America and our life-style and econmics are based in America.

Everywhere else in the world food, fuel, and taxes eat up most of a family's income. Here we whine and cry about how food is sooooo expensive when we have to pay 25 cents more for a gallon of milk.

Already addressed above.

My father has spent his entire life dirt poor working his ass off on a farm to provide you with that cheap food. My mother has spent the last 35 years dirt poor and has worked herself almost to death to provide you with that cheap food. My brother and sister grew up dirt poor working their asses off on the farm to provide you with that cheap food. I grew up dirt poor working my ass off on the farm to provide you with that cheap food.

Every night at supper, part of the Thanks I offer is for those who grow our food. However, unless you live in China, you and your family are not required to farm; you have made that choice. The fact that you choose to make your living growing food is yours alone. The orchardists and wheat farmers in my area don't spend a whole lot of time feeling sorry for themselves or complaining about the row they've chosen to hoe.

You make me sick.

It's from ulcers. You need a new line of work.

 

[Nate Nagel]

How come we can't convince the tree hugers to go jump off a cliff, so we can build some more refineries, and drill the oil that's on US soil?

Because it's not a sustainable plan. It's still cheaper to import oil than to produce it domestically. Hence, the search for economically viable alternative (preferably renewable) energy sources.

Based on current US policy, though, domestic drilling would be a better idea than anything currently enacted.

nate

 

[annezie]

I think growing a garden is the smart thing to do this year.

I went and got some more plants today.

About high prices: I have noticed that bread is a lot higher too. At least a dollar more per loaf here in Kentucky, which to me is a lot. I heard on TV that there was also a grain shortage. And in other countries people spend up to 80% of their takehome pay on food, and now food prices are rising a LOT.

It's a perfect time to plant -- and you can get seeds for crops such as zucchini and peas that are great foods and economical.

Do you have enough space? Do you get a lot of sun?

About raising meat: are you sure you can't raise rabbits or chickens? You may want to check around your area to find farmers that can sell you meat at a good price that is from their farm. Around here, there are a few that do that.

ES

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[Rod Speed]

Grocery prices are "high?" We've got the cheapest food supply in the world, and a long way to go before that's no longer true.
True.

Everywhere else in the world food, fuel, and taxes eat up most of a family's income.

Nope, that doesnt happen in any other first world
country and none of the second world countrys either.

It isnt even true of much of the third world either.

Here we whine and cry about how food is sooooo expensive when we have to pay 25 cents more for a gallon of milk.

My father has spent his entire life dirt poor working his ass off on a farm to provide you with that cheap food.

If he's dirt poor, he's doing it wrong.

My mother has spent the last 35 years dirt poor and has worked herself almost to death to provide you with that cheap food.

If she's dirt poor, she's doing it wrong.

My brother and sister grew up dirt poor working their
asses off on the farm to provide you with that cheap
food. I grew up dirt poor working my ass off on the
farm to provide you with that cheap food.

The problem is clearly in the genes.

You make me sick.

Your problem.

 

[Don Klipstein]

I think growing a garden is the smart thing to do this year.

I went and got some more plants today.

About high prices: I have noticed that bread is a lot higher too. At least a dollar more per loaf here in Kentucky, which to me is a lot.

Even at today's high prices, the wheat in a loaf of bread costs about 20 cents or somewhat less.

If I understand right, wheat prices at the Chicago Board of Trade most recently went for $8-$8.09 per bushel. (The price peaked in late February, a bit over $12 at Chicago Board of Trade and about $17 at Minneapolis Board of Trade IIUC.)

A bushel of wheat weighs 60 pounds. That has wheat costing about 8.3 cents per pound. A loaf of bread usually weighs 22-24 ounces, including some added water.

I would encourange gardening to combat the inflation in whatever/whoever is increasing the size of their slices of the pie.

- Don Klipstein

 

[Smitty Two]

Gardening works if it attracts rabbits.

Remember, vegetables are not food; vegetables are what food eats.

Sounds like my favorite bumper sticker: "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"