DIY house selling


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Autolycus

I'm about to sell a bungalow near Derby, and want to try advertising it
myself. Google turns up many web sites, some free, some charging up to
150 quid or so. The more expensive ones claim they get your house onto
other sites such as assertahome, fish4homes, and so on - but I've not
found one that claims to put it on rightmove, who all our local agents
use.

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
dire warnings, other ideas?
 
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Richard Faulkner

Autolycus said:
I'm about to sell a bungalow near Derby, and want to try advertising it
myself. Google turns up many web sites, some free, some charging up to
150 quid or so. The more expensive ones claim they get your house onto
other sites such as assertahome, fish4homes, and so on - but I've not
found one that claims to put it on rightmove, who all our local agents
use.

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
dire warnings, other ideas?
Only agents can use Rightmove, which is probably the most popular sight.

Doing it yourself you might get lucky, but only have yourself to blame
when the usual things dont go right, and no-one with experience to help
you through the various problems and negotiations.
 
G

G&M

Autolycus said:
I'm about to sell a bungalow near Derby, and want to try advertising it
myself. Google turns up many web sites, some free, some charging up to
150 quid or so. The more expensive ones claim they get your house onto
other sites such as assertahome, fish4homes, and so on - but I've not
found one that claims to put it on rightmove, who all our local agents
use.

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
dire warnings, other ideas?

Try your local Loot first. Reaches people in your area far better.
 
A

Anna Kettle

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
Try your local Loot first. Reaches people in your area far better.
Or the local weekly paper. Much better than internet where there are
far too many sites with very few interesting houses on them :)

Anna

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G&M

Anna Kettle said:
Or the local weekly paper. Much better than internet where there are
far too many sites with very few interesting houses on them :)
Some places you can get a good deal by going in both.
 
A

AK

Autolycus said:
I'm about to sell a bungalow near Derby, and want to try advertising it
myself. Google turns up many web sites, some free, some charging up to
150 quid or so. The more expensive ones claim they get your house onto
other sites such as assertahome, fish4homes, and so on - but I've not
found one that claims to put it on rightmove, who all our local agents
use.

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
dire warnings, other ideas?
If you live in a desirable area that is within an hour and a half of
London (door to station) then market your house in the London evening
standard. A friend of mine sold a house on Eastbourne marina within
a week. It's not cheap ( acouple of hundred but he did use a photo)
but an estate agent would have cost him £7,000 !!
 
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Mike Mitchell

I'm about to sell a bungalow near Derby, and want to try advertising it
myself. Google turns up many web sites, some free, some charging up to
150 quid or so. The more expensive ones claim they get your house onto
other sites such as assertahome, fish4homes, and so on - but I've not
found one that claims to put it on rightmove, who all our local agents
use.

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
dire warnings, other ideas?
I have not sold my house yet, despite changing agents three weeks ago.
I am, however, getting more viewings through the new agent, and the
type of viewer is more applicable to the style and price of the
property. Note that the market has cooled considerably in some parts
of the country, following the recent spate of negative reports in the
media about an impending crash.

But I have also placed printed postcards in newsagents' windows, not,
I hasten to add, to try and cheat the agent out of his fee (since the
card plainly states that it is not a private sale), but to get every
possible chance of making my property known to as wide a section of
the public as possible. I also have made use of a free web site to
publicise my property.

However, despite cards being in newsagents' windows for weeks, I have
had exactly two enquiries, neither of which led to a viewing. Since
it's only a few pounds spent, there's no harm done, but I think you
need to use much bigger guns if you want to stand a chance of selling
your property on your own. Also, the web site has not produced one
single enquiry so far!

I think far more drastic measures would be called for, such as
leafletting households (but which areas to choose?), putting leaflets
on cars in superstore car parks, adverts in papers, and so on. I did
discover only a day or two ago that Tesco don't charge for placing a
card in their customer advertising boards and you can imagine how many
hundreds of eyes peruse those in a week! (I popped down to two local
Tesco stores sharpish!)

Maybe others know of other free outlets for cards, hint, hint! I did
wonder whether it would be cost effective to mail many local
companies, enclosing a card, with a polite request to place the card
on their employee notice board. If the letters were addressed to Human
Resources (aka Personnel) departments there'd be less likelihood of
the cards just ending up in the bin. Obviously many would, as company
policy would prohibit such use of their private facilities, but if you
pointed out that it may be in their interests to have their employees
move closer to work, or attract new staff, there could be a hit rate
as high as 50%. So if you mailed a hundred letters second class, it
would cost £21 for theoretically unlimited advertising on the notice
boards in 50 companies.

In any case, when my agent finally does find me a buyer, I won't mind
paying the fee. It's a very small amount compared to the total chunk
of cash I'll be getting!

Finally, when doing it entirely on your own, you do run the risk of
inviting some dubious characters into your house.

MM
 
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usenet

Christian McArdle said:
Think long and hard about this. The overwhelming majority of people buy
houses by walking into agents (perhaps in response to the agent's ad in the
local property paper). By selling it yourself, you are excluding the 90% of
house buyers who wouldn't dream of buying a house any other way. The agent
may charge you a couple of thousand quid, but will probably get you a sale
at a much higher price in compensation.
We, and a number of other people we know, often buy houses on the basis of
'For Sale' signs outside the house. There's a very good reason for this,
we often decide where we want the house to be and a quick drive around
the area is a much quicker way to get some suitable houses to see than
'cold' visiting estate agents. We may miss some that don't have signs
but on the other hand we may see some being sold by agents we wouldn't
otherwise visit (and/or some being sold privately).

FWIW of the 5 houses we've sold over the past 30 years or so one was
definitely sold to someone who saw the sign outside. The others I
don't really know what attracted the buyers.

For *letting* as opposed to buying/selling our experience with agents
has been almost wholly negative.
 
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Andrew Gabriel

Think long and hard about this. The overwhelming majority of people buy
houses by walking into agents (perhaps in response to the agent's ad in the
local property paper). By selling it yourself, you are excluding the 90% of
house buyers who wouldn't dream of buying a house any other way. The agent
may charge you a couple of thousand quid, but will probably get you a sale
at a much higher price in compensation.
When I was buying, I had signed up with all the local agents, but
I just got bored looking through the sackload of house details
which kept arriving. Eventually, I went and drove around the areas
I was interested in looking for "For Sale" boards. The house I
eventually bought was found this way. When I was chucking out the
sackloads of house details afterwards, I had been sent details of
that one some weeks before, but the leaflet quoted a price above
my range so I had ignored it at the time.

Anyway, you might want to put up a board was what I was getting
round to saying;-)
 
T

troubleinstore

Mike Mitchell said:
I have not sold my house yet, despite changing agents three weeks ago.
I am, however, getting more viewings through the new agent, and the
type of viewer is more applicable to the style and price of the
property. Note that the market has cooled considerably in some parts
of the country, following the recent spate of negative reports in the
media about an impending crash.

But I have also placed printed postcards in newsagents' windows, not,
I hasten to add, to try and cheat the agent out of his fee (since the
card plainly states that it is not a private sale), but to get every
possible chance of making my property known to as wide a section of
the public as possible. I also have made use of a free web site to
publicise my property.

However, despite cards being in newsagents' windows for weeks, I have
had exactly two enquiries, neither of which led to a viewing. Since
it's only a few pounds spent, there's no harm done, but I think you
need to use much bigger guns if you want to stand a chance of selling
your property on your own. Also, the web site has not produced one
single enquiry so far!

I think far more drastic measures would be called for, such as
leafletting households (but which areas to choose?), putting leaflets
on cars in superstore car parks, adverts in papers, and so on. I did
discover only a day or two ago that Tesco don't charge for placing a
card in their customer advertising boards and you can imagine how many
hundreds of eyes peruse those in a week! (I popped down to two local
Tesco stores sharpish!)

Maybe others know of other free outlets for cards, hint, hint! I did
wonder whether it would be cost effective to mail many local
companies, enclosing a card, with a polite request to place the card
on their employee notice board. If the letters were addressed to Human
Resources (aka Personnel) departments there'd be less likelihood of
the cards just ending up in the bin. Obviously many would, as company
policy would prohibit such use of their private facilities, but if you
pointed out that it may be in their interests to have their employees
move closer to work, or attract new staff, there could be a hit rate
as high as 50%. So if you mailed a hundred letters second class, it
would cost £21 for theoretically unlimited advertising on the notice
boards in 50 companies.

In any case, when my agent finally does find me a buyer, I won't mind
paying the fee. It's a very small amount compared to the total chunk
of cash I'll be getting!

Finally, when doing it entirely on your own, you do run the risk of
inviting some dubious characters into your house.

MM
To anyone who is interested, if you are willing to supply such details as
can be found on my website under 'items For Sale' BUNGALOW and get the
estate agents permission for me to link to them, I am willing to give you a
page on my website FREE.
Please, if you are interested, use the contact button on the website.
 
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G&M

AK said:
London (door to station) then market your house in the London evening
standard. A friend of mine sold a house on Eastbourne marina within
a week. It's not cheap ( acouple of hundred but he did use a photo)
but an estate agent would have cost him £7,000 !!
How much was the house worth ?!

If you're paying more than 1.5% to an estate agent haggle and try elsewhere.
 
A

Autolycus

Autolycus said:
I'm about to sell a bungalow near Derby, and want to try advertising it
myself. <snip>

Any advice, please, on the relative merits of these sites, experiences,
dire warnings, other ideas?
and is grateful for the advice from all who responded.

Richard Faulkner's advice to use an agent was unsurprising - "well he
would, wouldn't he"

My local Loot is Admag, which is a bit thin on property for sale above
about ninepence, but certainly worth a try.

The local paper has some curiously inflexible packages on offer, but
I'll certainly try it: I could advertise every night for a year for less
than an agent's commission (what was that joke about "how many
insertions?)

I'm just outside London commuterland - 10 minutes to Long Eaton station,
then almost two hours to St Pancras.

Mike Mitchell raises two interesting points: the agent's fee is small
compared with the selling price, and that you might get dubious
characters by selling directly. I don't go for logarithmic money -
three thousand quid is the same whether its out of a 200k house sale or
on an ice lolly. Do agents really filter their viewers that well? Even
if they accompany, I'd as soon deal with such characters myself than let
a 20-year old girl do so. Mine is also a slightly special case in that
I live next door to the bungalow being sold.

Christian's point about the overwhelming majority buying as a result of
visiting agents was, curiously, contradicted by all four local agents
who I got to pitch for selling the place: they all rather shot
themselves in the foot by gushing about how many of their sales now came
via their web sites, even sales to older buyers who I'm expecting to be
my main target. The variation in their suggested selling price was also
interesting: from 160k to 200k, with one of the two 200k valuers being
the only one of the four to adduce any evidence, in the form of property
details for similar houses they'd sold recently. Christian's
correlation between cheapskate and dubious ethical values was
interesting, but I would argue that it is at best only a very loose one.
I'm a cheapskate, but a very honest one, and one of my reasons for
avoiding agents is their often breathtaking disregard for truth (ime, of
course).

I'll certainly go for a "For Sale" board, and may even (shock, horror)
ohl one. I think I'll also splash the hundred quid to get it on
assertahome, fish4homes, and homesandproperty, and, if I can find the
site again that offers it, rightmove.

Then I'll do my own conveyancing again.... (ducks, runs for cover)
 
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RichardS

Autolycus said:
and is grateful for the advice from all who responded.

Richard Faulkner's advice to use an agent was unsurprising - "well he
would, wouldn't he"
I think he's a reformed character now - an ex-agent :)

One thing to bear in mind is that if you're advertising or producing any
literature for the house at all then you _may_ very well be bound by a lot
of the provisions of the Estate Agent's Act (I think it's called that -
IANAL, quite evidently!), notwithstanding the fact that this is a DIY sale
and not using an agent.

You would do well to read up on this, and seek advice if necessary.
 
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RichardS

RichardS said:
I think he's a reformed character now - an ex-agent :)

One thing to bear in mind is that if you're advertising or producing any
literature for the house at all then you _may_ very well be bound by a lot
of the provisions of the Estate Agent's Act (I think it's called that -
IANAL, quite evidently!), notwithstanding the fact that this is a DIY sale
and not using an agent.

You would do well to read up on this, and seek advice if necessary.
scrub that - it doesn't seem that the act applies because you are not
engaging in business as an Estate Agent.

The act that I was thinking of is the "The Property Misdescriptions Act
1991"
 
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Richard Faulkner

Autolycus said:
Richard Faulkner's advice to use an agent was unsurprising - "well he
would, wouldn't he"
FYI I have sold my agency and do not have a vested interest.

However, if I was selling a property, I would use an agent. In fact, not
so long ago, I sold my home which was not on my patch, and used an
agent.
 
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Richard Faulkner

MBQ said:
So what's with http://www.estate.demon.co.uk/ ? Looks like an estate
agency to me, complete with mug shot (as of 3:45pm GMT 15/07/04).

MBQ
I'm so relaxed in early retirement that I forgot all about it.

The new owners now use rightmove.co.uk

Phone them - I dont work there anymore!
 

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