Can't pull Honda HRR216VKA lawn mower backwards anymore

Discussion in 'Home Repair' started by Rebel1, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. Rebel1

    Rebel1 Guest

    It's a walk-behind with a variable speed transmission that powers the
    rear wheels. Works okay forward, but can no longer pull it backwards. If
    I turn it on its side, I can turn both rear wheels in the forward
    direction only, and I hear a ratcheting sound from each wheel. Try the
    reverse direction, and they lock firmly, without even the slightest
    movement in the reverse direction of the drive axle.

    Thanks for you suggestions.

    R1
     
    Rebel1, Oct 10, 2011
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    DerbyDad03 Guest

    For what it's worth, you are not alone.

    This thread mentions "tranny replacement" for the symptoms that you
    describe.

    http://www.lawn-mowers-review.com/honda-hrr216-lawn-mower.html
     
    DerbyDad03, Oct 10, 2011
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    It's a walk-behind with a variable speed transmission that
    powers the
    rear wheels. Works okay forward, but can no longer pull it
    backwards. If
    I turn it on its side, I can turn both rear wheels in the
    forward
    direction only, and I hear a ratcheting sound from each
    wheel. Try the
    reverse direction, and they lock firmly, without even the
    slightest
    movement in the reverse direction of the drive axle.

    Thanks for you suggestions.

    R1
     
    Stormin Mormon, Oct 10, 2011
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  4. Rebel1

    Rebel1 Guest

    Since posting my initial message, I spend 50 minutes cutting the lawn.
    For whatever reason, most of the time I was able to pull it backwards. I
    couldn't find a pattern (eg. pulling while on a slight up slope vs. a
    down slope).

    After finishing, I turned the mower on its side and turned the rear
    wheels. The axle between each wheel and the transmission in the middle
    of the mower now turned. Suggests something in the gear box.

    Caution: The gear box is filled with oil, not grease, and it will come
    running out unless the mower is completely inverted. Before inverting,
    drain the engine oil. If there is a little gasoline in the tank, the
    tight-fitting cap will probably prevent it from leaking out. But be
    prepared, and work outside.

    R1
     
    Rebel1, Oct 10, 2011
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    G Mulcaster Guest

    On my Honda HHR217HXX there was a black plastic flap that hung down
    and dragged behind the rear wheels. When the mower was pulled
    backward, the flap would dig in to prevent such action.

    The flap was removed. Now, pulling backward is no problem.

    Not what you describe; however, it might be worth a look should you
    have a similar flap.

    Gary
     
    G Mulcaster, Oct 10, 2011
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    Rebel1 Guest

    Gary,

    I do have that flap. And often times it does fight me when pulling back,
    because it folds under the mower. But I had the problem on a concrete
    garage floor and with the mower on its side, as I manually tried turning
    the wheels backward.

    R1
     
    Rebel1, Oct 11, 2011
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    hr(bob) Guest

    I find on my Craftsman mower, after I release the drive handle, that
    if I move the mower forward a couple of inches, and then pull
    backwards that it always allows me to go backwards. If I just release
    the drive handle and try to pull it backwards, sometimes it will not
    go backwards. I then push it forward a couple of inches and find that
    it goes backwards just fine. This is not due to the rear mower
    protection flap as I have already shortened that so that it does not
    hang up on the lawn when pulling backwards. Less protection, but a
    LOT easier to use the mower as I do have a lot of pulling to get
    around a lot of plants that my wife loves scattered around the yard,
     
    hr(bob) , Oct 11, 2011
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    notbob Guest

    While I tend to agree, no anvil at all is even better. I think
    Honda has turned the power mower into an overly complex system, but no
    more complex than the absurd lengths homeowners will go to for their
    precious lawns. I personally prefer my natural wooded landscape with
    no lawn or lawnmowers

    nb
     
    notbob, Oct 11, 2011
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    DerbyDad03 Guest

    re: "Less protection due to shortened flap."

    My wifs buys our dogs these hooves to chew on:

    http://images.petfooddirect.com/2031411111_lg.jpg

    I usually scan the yard before mowing, but I missed one the other day.

    My Honda, with full flap still intact, shot one those hooves out from
    under the mower at such a high speed that I have no idea where it came
    out.

    All I know is I heard a loud BANG! as it hit the house and then landed
    in driveway about 20 feet from where I was mowing. There was a mark on
    the house in the 5' area between the glass storm door and the glass on
    the garage door, right level with the middle of the garage door
    windows. A few feet in either direction and I'd be replacing at least
    a pane of glass.

    The height was about face level of most of the people that live in my
    house. I'm sure glad no one standing anywhere near the area.
     
    DerbyDad03, Oct 11, 2011
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    Frank Guest


    Mine's OK. Is nice to be reminded/know that there is 4 year warranty.
    I think manual says there should be cable adjustments and the like done
    at dealer after a year, but who pays attention to these things?

    If this is a known problem, maybe Honda can be persuaded to do it under
    warranty even after warranty period. I had a similar situation with my
    car and manufacturer rebated about a third of cost.
     
    Frank, Oct 11, 2011
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    Guest

    I had a Honda Harmony and the transmission failed after
    not too many years and not all that much use. The tranny
    is a real bitch to replace. Lot of little parts to take off and
    hopefully get back together again if you put a new one in.
    Took it apart and found that the main drive bearing just
    wore out and fell apart. It sounds like the tranny on this
    one is shot too.

    I even bought the service manual, and I'm good at doing
    all kinds of mechanical work, but given how complicated
    it was and the cost, $135, I never did put one in. Mower is
    still here in pieces.
    I bought a Sears for $175 instead. The Honda does the
    best, neatest cut and the twin blade design is the best
    mulcher I've seen. But at $600 I expected it to last longer
    than it did. The Sears has significantly more power and
    uses a belt slip system to give infinite speed control. And
    there is no transmission to crap out.
     
    , Oct 12, 2011
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    Rebel1 Guest

    Thanks, Bob, for the excellent tip. I'll try it the next time I have the
    problem.

    On 10/11/2011 12:34 AM, hr(bob) wrote:
    -
     
    Rebel1, Oct 12, 2011
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    Rebel1 Guest

    As you can see from my October 10, 4:17 pm post, all of a sudden I was
    able to pull in backwards, for unknown reasons.

    The mower is only 13 months old, so it's not likely to need grease or
    have broken parts in the wheels. The key thing is that with the mower on
    its side, I couldn't turn either wheel backwards. All I could do is turn
    the forward (and hear the ratcheting as I did so). Since both wheels
    were affected equally, the problem had to be in the transmission.
     
    Rebel1, Oct 16, 2011
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    DIYmeister

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    Besides cleaning and lubricating the axle and adjusting the drive cable, clean the transmission pulley and belt. The belt should not grab the pulley when not in drive, otherwise the rear wheels will not turn in reverse.
     
    DIYmeister, Apr 23, 2018
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