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Bill

I've just seen a British Gas advert on TV, they appear to be advocating
having a 13A plug as a power feed i.e. live pins. Is this really a
responsible way to behave?


It's the one where they power up a house from a wind farm.
 
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OG

Bill said:
I've just seen a British Gas advert on TV, they appear to be advocating
having a 13A plug as a power feed i.e. live pins. Is this really a
responsible way to behave?


It's the one where they power up a house from a wind farm.
Feel free to complain to the ASA if you feel it's important
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/complaints_form/
make sure you include the phrase "they appear to be advocating xwy" in the
complaint - just so they know how much you are concerned by the advert.

You'll be pleased to know you're not the only one who is concerned.
 
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gazz

OG said:
Feel free to complain to the ASA if you feel it's important
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/complaints_form/
make sure you include the phrase "they appear to be advocating xwy" in the
complaint - just so they know how much you are concerned by the advert.

You'll be pleased to know you're not the only one who is concerned.
they've got a bilboard advert up near where i live,

wind farm planet plugged into the house plannet, and around the 13 amp plug
are 2 brats looking as if they are about to pull the plug out,

oh noes, think of the chiiiiildreeeeen,
 
G

gazz

they've got a bilboard advert up near where i live,

wind farm planet plugged into the house plannet, and around the 13 amp
plug are 2 brats looking as if they are about to pull the plug out,

oh noes, think of the chiiiiildreeeeen,
forgot, i can't complain my self, as i have and use a widow maker lead
occasionaly (length of flex with a 13 amp plug at each end) only used to
power the house in a power cut,

I turn the main breaker off at the box, plug the widow maker lead into a
socket in the garage, other end into the generators socket, or if more power
is needed, i plug it into the outlet socket on my motorhome and run the
house from the inverter (genny is one of those cheapo 900 watt 2 stroke
jobbies, inverter in the motorhome is a 1500 watt pure sine wave jobbie,
running from 500 AH's of batteries, with 350 watts of solar to charge them,
as well as a 12 volt onboard genny and the mains charger for when plugged
into a power pole)

i know i 'could' put in a transfer switch and proper power inlet plug on the
wall... like the one for putting power into the motorhome, but power cuts
are a once every few year thing, so the widow maker lead does me.
 
B

Bill

forgot, i can't complain my self, as i have and use a widow maker lead
occasionaly (length of flex with a 13 amp plug at each end) only used
to power the house in a power cut,
I've done something similar, bl**dy dangerous it was too. OK if you are
on your own and realise what you have done, but if any one else came
into contact it could be fatal. I've better things to do with my time
than go to a coroners court and give evidence.

inverter in the motorhome is a 1500 watt pure sine wave jobbie,
running from 500 AH's of batteries
Sounds good, I have one that runs off 48V dc, ex telephone exchange,
good sine wave, pity about the 48V though.

i know i 'could' put in a transfer switch and proper power inlet plug
on the wall... like the one for putting power into the motorhome, but
power cuts are a once every few year thing, so the widow maker lead
does me.
Buy a transfer switch, you know it makes sence :)

I use one of these,
<http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/details.php?cat=Transfer Switch&pr
oduct=25201&utm_campaign=comparison&utm_medium=ncpc&utm_source=froogle>

http://tinyurl.com/bk7l7q

But not bought at that price! Shown for illustration only!
 
H

Harry Bloomfield

It happens that gazz formulated :
forgot, i can't complain my self, as i have and use a widow maker lead
occasionaly (length of flex with a 13 amp plug at each end) only used to
power the house in a power cut,

I turn the main breaker off at the box, plug the widow maker lead into a
socket in the garage, other end into the generators socket, or if more power
is needed, i plug it into the outlet socket on my motorhome and run the house
from the inverter (genny is one of those cheapo 900 watt 2 stroke jobbies,
inverter in the motorhome is a 1500 watt pure sine wave jobbie, running from
500 AH's of batteries, with 350 watts of solar to charge them, as well as a
12 volt onboard genny and the mains charger for when plugged into a power
pole)
The risk is not only that the plug pins are live, but that if you
forget to turn your main switch off, you could potentially back feed
onto the mains. Some poor engineer working on the fault up a pole or at
the bottom of a wet hole in the ground, assumes the supply is dead and
isolated at their end, suddenly discovers you are feeding the cable
from your end.
 
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The Medway Handyman

Bill said:
I've just seen a British Gas advert on TV, they appear to be
advocating having a 13A plug as a power feed i.e. live pins. Is this
really a responsible way to behave?


It's the one where they power up a house from a wind farm.
Pay attention at the back :)

Have a look at the thread 'Gritish Bas & Electrical Safety'.
 
B

Bill

The Medway said:
Pay attention at the back :)

Have a look at the thread 'Gritish Bas & Electrical Safety'.
Fair point, due to the spelling I'd deleted it.

Attention will be paid in future! :)
 
G

gazz

Harry Bloomfield said:
It happens that gazz formulated :

The risk is not only that the plug pins are live, but that if you forget
to turn your main switch off, you could potentially back feed onto the
mains. Some poor engineer working on the fault up a pole or at the bottom
of a wet hole in the ground, assumes the supply is dead and isolated at
their end, suddenly discovers you are feeding the cable from your end.

i know full well the possible dangers of doing this, tho i guess some others
may not, so unless your prepared to take the consequences if you dont
understand what your messing with, dont ever, ever make up a widow maker
lead and do what i mentioned,
they are called widow maker leads for a reason after all.

But mine is for a specific purpous... actually truth be told i dont actually
keep one made up ready to use, we have power cuts so infrequently i have
always used the plugs on something else by the time i want to use it again,
so have to make another lead up when ever we get a power cut and the time
it's going to last is over an hour (i gather people know to phone the lecky
boards power cut number and they'll tell you what the fault is and how long
it's expected to take to fix)

Anyhoo, i have a set procedure for using my widow maker lead, first thing i
do is turn the main breaker off, i'm in the breaker box anyway turning off
the imersion heater and kitchen sockets, the genny only puts out 900 watts
max, so if i dont turn big loads off at the breakers it wont even produce
any power, it's internal breaker trips if the engine manages to get over
idle and exite the coils to start with.

once the main breaker is off, i then connect the lead, start the genny, and
apply the power to the house,
as this is a bi-anual occurance i'm not going to get complaciant with the
procedure,
 
H

Harry Bloomfield

Bill presented the following explanation :
I've just seen a British Gas advert on TV, they appear to be advocating
having a 13A plug as a power feed i.e. live pins. Is this really a
responsible way to behave?


It's the one where they power up a house from a wind farm.
Can't say I have seen it, I wonder if anyone has placed it on the
Internet?
 
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James R

Bill said:
I've just seen a British Gas advert on TV, they appear to be advocating
having a 13A plug as a power feed i.e. live pins. Is this really a
responsible way to behave?


It's the one where they power up a house from a wind farm.
I have a house full of items that have a 13A plug fitted. Not many
of them pass the full 13A.
 
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James R

OG said:
Feel free to complain to the ASA if you feel it's important
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/complaints_form/
make sure you include the phrase "they appear to be advocating xwy" in the
complaint - just so they know how much you are concerned by the advert.

You'll be pleased to know you're not the only one who is concerned.
Great, that will stop the pensioners driving about in their cars at 20mph in
rush hour - or forming a queue outside ALDI and LIDL in the morning
and then wondering why they are there when the door opens.
 
T

The Medway Handyman

Bill said:
Fair point, due to the spelling I'd deleted it.

Attention will be paid in future! :)
Fair enough - you don't have to sit on the naughty chair :)
 
B

Bill

James R said:
I have a house full of items that have a 13A plug fitted. Not many
of them pass the full 13A.
But how many of them have live pins when unplugged?
 
G

Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
I've just seen a British Gas advert on TV, they appear to be advocating
having a 13A plug as a power feed i.e. live pins. Is this really a
responsible way to behave?


It's the one where they power up a house from a wind farm.
Media people - doncha luv'em.
 
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Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
I've done something similar, bl**dy dangerous it was too. OK if you are
on your own and realise what you have done, but if any one else came
into contact it could be fatal. I've better things to do with my time
than go to a coroners court and give evidence.
Bingo.
When I was a lad, the house my folks bought had an attic light powered
by a wrong-ended plug and socket just up inside the hatch. You had to
fish around in the dark for the live end of the plug and it was by pure
luck that I picked up the plug correctly the first time I used it.

Even at fourteen, I was utterly amazed at the wanton stupidity of of the
previous occupant/owner who'd wired that abortion up.
 
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Phil L

Bill said:
But how many of them have live pins when unplugged?
How do you know the pins are live? - to me it looks like the wind farm is
producing the power to the socket, not the plug.
 
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Harry Bloomfield

Phil L formulated the question :
How do you know the pins are live? - to me it looks like the wind farm is
producing the power to the socket, not the plug.
The plug is on the lead which goes to the windfarm, which they then
plug into a socket in the ground - as that is done the house lights up.
Therefore the windfarm must logically be supplying power and the plug
pins live prior to and after insertion into the socket.
 

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