Asbestos(?) water tank


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cskrimshire

Dear All,

My friend has a defunct water tank in her loft, which is in a 60s brick semi. Evidently the plumber opted to just leave it there when he upgraded the system and installed a plastic, tank since it is very heavy.

It appears to be made of an asbestos material,but I may be wrong about this. Being a water tank I presume it is not intrinsically hazardous, but I am contemplating breaking it up to dispose of it. Do you think there would be hazards in doing this?

Cheers.

Chris
 
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Dear All,

My friend has a defunct water tank in her loft, which is in a 60s brick semi. Evidently the plumber opted to just leave it there when he upgraded the system and installed a plastic, tank since it is very heavy.

It appears to be made of an asbestos material,but I may be wrong about this. Being a water tank I presume it is not intrinsically hazardous, but I am contemplating breaking it up to dispose of it. Do you think there would be hazards in doing this?

Where will you dispose of it ?
 
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Dear All,



My friend has a defunct water tank in her loft, which is in a 60s brick semi. Evidently the plumber opted to just leave it there when he upgraded the system and installed a plastic, tank since it is very heavy.



It appears to be made of an asbestos material,but I may be wrong about this. Being a water tank I presume it is not intrinsically hazardous, but I am contemplating breaking it up to dispose of it. Do you think there would be hazards in doing this?
Probably (white) asbestos cement. Breaking or cutting will release airbornefibres, they cause of much grief in a few decades. If you can get it out in one piece, your local authority may have a disposal facility if you double-bag it. Otherwise steer clear.
 
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Brian Gaff

Well, yes there could be, so use some form of breathing filter and of course
you would need to confine the area so the occupants cannot breath it either.
After that you will find nobody will let you dump the stuff either. Probably
best left alone.
Brian
 
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Brian Gaff

I think there is certified centre run by City of London as far as I am told
as I have a whole Garage to get rid of as well as a shed roof. The Asbestos
Cement is not that hazardous normally, but its seemingly treated as if it
were by most tips and recycling centres these days. I fear its just a big
hassle so they don't want it.
it all has to be bagged even for those who will take it to even consider it
and labelled double bagged in some instances.
I bet if you crawled around any tip you would find stuff much more of a
hazard that nobody bothers with a second look.
Brian
 
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Tim Watts

Absolutely not! It very probably is asbestos and needs dealing with
professionally that will probably cost into four figures. Otherwise just
leave it where it is as it is doing no harm.

That depends on what type of asbestos it is!

Chrysotile (white) is not that bad if precautions are taken. It is highly
unlikely to be any other asbestos - though a small sample can be taken and
sent for analysis. It may not even contain asbestos.

The rest depends on what the tank looks like and what the access is like.

Having to break the tank is undesireable but may be unavoidable. If it will
go got the loft hatch, then do so, but I would paint it with dilute PVA on
all surfaces to prevent dusting.

If it does need breaking up - then I agree, it is a bit trickier. The
personal protection is easy enough - paper suit and good respirator. The
biggest problem comes with any contamination that gets chucked around the
loft and house.

Personally, if it is too big to move, I'd take a sample and see if it is
really a problem.


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Tim Watts

Well, yes there could be, so use some form of breathing filter and of
course you would need to confine the area so the occupants cannot breath
it either. After that you will find nobody will let you dump the stuff
either.
Most bigger dumps IME have asbestos disposal - ring the county or district
council first.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

It appears to be made of an asbestos material,but I may be wrong about this. Being a water tank I presume it is not intrinsically hazardous, but I am contemplating breaking it up to dispose of it. Do you think there would be hazards in doing this?
Face mask, sledge (or smaller) hammer, don't angle-grind it. It will
smash into smaller pieces which can be bagged up.
Ignore the old women.
 
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The Natural Philosopher

Face mask, sledge (or smaller) hammer, don't angle-grind it. It will
smash into smaller pieces which can be bagged up.
Ignore the old women.
+1


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Brian Gaff scribbled...
I think there is certified centre run by City of London as far as I am told
as I have a whole Garage to get rid of as well as a shed roof. The Asbestos
Cement is not that hazardous normally, but its seemingly treated as if it
were by most tips and recycling centres these days. I fear its just a big
hassle so they don't want it.
it all has to be bagged even for those who will take it to even consider it
and labelled double bagged in some instances.
I bet if you crawled around any tip you would find stuff much more of a
hazard that nobody bothers with a second look.
Brian

I've taken my time getting rid of it in the past. A bag at a time in
the bin. If you soak the asbestos before bashing it into small pieces,
it's not going to create a dust cloud.
 
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Dave Liquorice

It appears to be made of an asbestos material,but I may be wrong about
this.
Sort of surprised, the white asbestos cement products I've come
across are porous to some extent. Yes you could get corrogated
roofing sheets but keeping a a bit of rain out isn't the same as
making a water tank from the stuff.

It's not just insulating board(s) around a galvanised tank?
 
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Tim Watts

Sort of surprised, the white asbestos cement products I've come
across are porous to some extent. Yes you could get corrogated
roofing sheets but keeping a a bit of rain out isn't the same as
making a water tank from the stuff.
I've seen asbestos cement drain pipes.

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Tim Lamb

The Natural Philosopher said:
+2 You could wrap it in an old bed sheet before whacking to contain any
dust. As said above local waste sites may accept small quantities of
asbestos cement.
 
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Tim Lamb

Dave said:
Sort of surprised, the white asbestos cement products I've come
across are porous to some extent. Yes you could get corrogated
roofing sheets but keeping a a bit of rain out isn't the same as
making a water tank from the stuff.
I have one in my garden used for spent compost. I reckon it would still
hold water if I took off the lid.
 
C

cskrimshire

Dear All,



My friend has a defunct water tank in her loft, which is in a 60s brick semi. Evidently the plumber opted to just leave it there when he upgraded the system and installed a plastic, tank since it is very heavy.



It appears to be made of an asbestos material,but I may be wrong about this. Being a water tank I presume it is not intrinsically hazardous, but I am contemplating breaking it up to dispose of it. Do you think there would be hazards in doing this?



Cheers.



Chris
Thanks for the replies and suggestions. The consensus seems to be to be wary.

The tank will fit through the hatch, and my plan was to take it down in onepiece and break it up outside. It definitely needs moving as it is occupying prime storage space near the hatch. I will now reconsider relocating it in the loft, though this will be tricky due un-covered deep insulation all over.
 
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harryagain

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Where will you dispose of it ?

Our local recycle centre has closed skips for asbestos cement.
 
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The Natural Philosopher

Ignore the morons who say it can be safely broken. It cant, and if you
have ever seen the tragic results of exposure to asbestos you would know
why. Double bag it in polythene and take it to a registered disposal
site taking care not to accidentally break it.
Utter rubbish. teh hazards of asbestos came after lifetime exposure to
dust in mines and factories where it was prevalent.


breaking one up when wetted to kill dust just once wont be in any way
hazardous.

we used to mill cut and saw asbestos with no particular worries for
years and years, and no one died of it or even got ill.

Personally Id rather hack at asbestos than rout MDF. That truly is
dangerous dust.


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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
 
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Grimly Curmudgeon

Ignore the morons who say it can be safely broken. It cant, and if you
have ever seen the tragic results of exposure to asbestos you would know
why. Double bag it in polythene and take it to a registered disposal
site taking care not to accidentally break it.
Ah; one of the old women speaks.
 
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Onetap

Take it down in one piece, then double-wrap it and dispose of it - still

in one piece.
Agree.
You just need a car it will fit in or a roof rack and check the skip at the dump will take it.
 
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On 28/09/13 18:30, Peter Crosland wrote:
we used to mill cut and saw asbestos with no particular worries for

years and years, and no one died of it or even got ill.
They don't though, until 30 or 40 years later.

A pipe fitter I used to know had kept in contact with many of his mates from technical college.
He was on the verge of retiring & said 6 or 7 (I think) of the class were known to have died from asbestos related illnesses.
Lifetime exposure, maybe, but the problem is that no-one can set a safe level of exposure. 1 fibre could start a cancer.
 

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