Anybody here using or have experience of a Baxi Bermuda BBU HE boiler?

[Nick]

This spring I intend to replace our very aged New World back boiler, as it
is on it's last legs.

A back boiler would be the ideal and the Baxi Bermuda BBU HE seems to be the
only player in the field.

15kw output would be adequate and much better than the existing, now
inefficient, 11kw.

My main concern is regarding the boiler controls and fire front. It would
appear the the boiler, proprietary flue and fire front are all separate
items. Fair enough.

I need the boiler and flue but do not want any fire front. It would never,
ever, be used.

It also appears that the fire front comes with boiler controls which plug
into the boiler unit.

So, my Q's are:

1) does the boiler have sufficient inbuilt controls or is a fire front with
attached controls a necessity? Baxi are not at all helpful in this.

2) are there any alternatives to the Baxi BBU HE for gas fired back boilers?

Many thanks,

Nick.

 

[Owain]

1) does the boiler have sufficient inbuilt controls or is a fire front with
attached controls a necessity? Baxi are not at all helpful in this.

The Instructions say

The Boiler Control operates the boiler remotely. This is
supplied with the firefront and is fitted, in operation, to the
firefront spacer frame.

IMPORTANT: To commission the boiler it is is necessary
to remove the Boiler Control from the firefront
packaging and connect it to the boiler at the upper right
hand side (item 6).

http://www.baxi.co.uk/docs/Baxi_Bermuda_BBU_HE_install_and_serv_inst.pdf

So unless you can get a firefront cheap, ditch the firefront and
cannibalise the controls and refit them in an enclosure, you need a
firefront. Or if you can make your own control - I don't know if
they're just switches, or have electronic gubbins in the firefront.

2) are there any alternatives to the Baxi BBU HE for gas fired back boilers?

You might be able to open up enough of the hearth and chimney breast
to put an ordinary boiler in the recess and then put a panel over the
front of it.

Owain

 

[Dave]

This spring I intend to replace our very aged New World back boiler, as it
is on it's last legs.

A back boiler would be the ideal and the Baxi Bermuda BBU HE seems to be the
only player in the field.

15kw output would be adequate and much better than the existing, now
inefficient, 11kw.

My main concern is regarding the boiler controls and fire front. It would
appear the the boiler, proprietary flue and fire front are all separate
items. Fair enough.

I need the boiler and flue but do not want any fire front. It would never,
ever, be used.

It also appears that the fire front comes with boiler controls which plug
into the boiler unit.

So, my Q's are:

1) does the boiler have sufficient inbuilt controls or is a fire front with
attached controls a necessity? Baxi are not at all helpful in this.

2) are there any alternatives to the Baxi BBU HE for gas fired back boilers?

Many thanks,

I quite often drink with the ex director of development from Baxi. I'll
put the question to him, just don't hold your breath, it might be next
week before I get back to you.

Dave

 

[Heliotrope Smith]

I quite often drink with the ex director of development from Baxi.
I'll put the question to him, just don't hold your breath, it might be
next week before I get back to you.

Dave

HIC!

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[geoff]

I quite often drink with the ex director of development from Baxi. I'll
put the question to him, just don't hold your breath, it might be next
week before I get back to you.

You really have to invite me along one day ...

 

[harry]

This spring I intend to replace our very aged New World back boiler, as it
is on it's last legs.

A back boiler would be the ideal and the Baxi Bermuda BBU HE seems to be the
only player in the field.

15kw output would be adequate and much better than the existing,  now
inefficient, 11kw.

My main concern is regarding the boiler controls and fire front. It would
appear the the boiler, proprietary flue and fire front are all separate
items. Fair enough.

I need the boiler and flue but do not want any fire front. It would never,
ever, be used.

It also appears that the fire front comes with boiler controls which plug
into the boiler unit.

So, my Q's are:

1) does the boiler have sufficient inbuilt controls or is a fire front with
attached controls a necessity? Baxi are not at all helpful in this.

2) are there any alternatives to the Baxi BBU HE for gas fired back boilers?

Many thanks,

Nick.

Waste of space mate. The ventilation requirements just leave you
shivering.
Get a room sealed boiler, ie wall hung, drawing air directly into it,
not into the room where you're sitting.

 

[harry]

The Instructions say

The Boiler Control operates the boiler remotely. This is
supplied with the firefront and is fitted, in operation, to the
firefront spacer frame.

IMPORTANT: To commission the boiler it is is necessary
to remove the Boiler Control from the firefront
packaging and connect it to the boiler at the upper right
hand side (item 6).

http://www.baxi.co.uk/docs/Baxi_Bermuda_BBU_HE_install_and_serv_inst.pdf

So unless you can get a firefront cheap, ditch the firefront and
cannibalise the controls and refit them in an enclosure, you need a
firefront. Or if you can make your own control - I don't know if
they're just switches, or have electronic gubbins in the firefront.


You might be able to open up enough of the hearth and chimney breast
to put an ordinary boiler in the recess and then put a panel over the
front of it.

Owain

So what happens to the condensate?

 

[John]

This spring I intend to replace our very aged New World back boiler, as it
is on it's last legs.

A back boiler would be the ideal and the Baxi Bermuda BBU HE seems to be
the
only player in the field.

15kw output would be adequate and much better than the existing, now
inefficient, 11kw.

My main concern is regarding the boiler controls and fire front. It would
appear the the boiler, proprietary flue and fire front are all separate
items. Fair enough.

I need the boiler and flue but do not want any fire front. It would never,
ever, be used.

It also appears that the fire front comes with boiler controls which plug
into the boiler unit.

So, my Q's are:

1) does the boiler have sufficient inbuilt controls or is a fire front
with
attached controls a necessity? Baxi are not at all helpful in this.

2) are there any alternatives to the Baxi BBU HE for gas fired back
boilers?

Many thanks,

Nick.

Waste of space mate. The ventilation requirements just leave you
shivering.
Get a room sealed boiler, ie wall hung, drawing air directly into it,
not into the room where you're sitting.


Good point made - unless the ventilation can be very close to the boiler you
will suffer a wind around your ankles.

 

[Nick]

The Instructions say

The Boiler Control operates the boiler remotely. This is
supplied with the firefront and is fitted, in operation, to the
firefront spacer frame.

IMPORTANT: To commission the boiler it is is necessary
to remove the Boiler Control from the firefront
packaging and connect it to the boiler at the upper right
hand side (item 6).

http://www.baxi.co.uk/docs/Baxi_Bermuda_BBU_HE_install_and_serv_inst.pdf

So unless you can get a firefront cheap, ditch the firefront and
cannibalise the controls and refit them in an enclosure, you need a
firefront. Or if you can make your own control - I don't know if
they're just switches, or have electronic gubbins in the firefront.


You might be able to open up enough of the hearth and chimney breast
to put an ordinary boiler in the recess and then put a panel over the
front of it.

Owain

So what happens to the condensate?

Condensate will be routed to an outdoor gulley.

Nick.

 

[Nick]

I quite often drink with the ex director of development from Baxi. I'll
put the question to him, just don't hold your breath, it might be next
week before I get back to you.

Dave

Thanks very much Dave,

I'm not intending to do this until March/April, so time is not of the
essence.
I would be very much interested to know what this chap might have to say.

Nick.

 

[Nick]

Waste of space mate. The ventilation requirements just leave you
shivering.
Get a room sealed boiler, ie wall hung, drawing air directly into it,
not into the room where you're sitting.


Good point made - unless the ventilation can be very close to the boiler
you will suffer a wind around your ankles.

Thank you,

this is a condensing boiler with dedicated balanced flue.
Unless I am losing the plot (entirely possible) air intake and exhaust would
be via that dedicated flue.

Thus there should be no in-room draught.
The existing back boiler is supplied fresh air by ducting through an
airbrick to external atmosphere, this would be left in place if necessary.

My O.P. is more to do with the firefront and connected controls.

Nick.

 

[ARWadsworth]

You really have to invite me along one day ...

I guess you owe him a pint or two.

 

[geoff]

A friendly slap on the back together with "Keep up the bad work, old chap"...
I guess being ex-Baxi, he's probably not from the Suprima side of the
business though.

No, Potterton were Blue Circle at that time

 

[harry]

Thank you,

this is a condensing boiler with dedicated balanced flue.
Unless I am losing the plot (entirely possible) air intake and exhaust would
be via that dedicated flue.

Thus there should be no in-room draught.
The existing back boiler is supplied fresh air by ducting through an
airbrick to external atmosphere, this would be left in place if necessary..

My O.P. is more to do with the firefront and connected controls.

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Aha. I haven't seen a fire back boiler with balanced flue. Many
chimneys are in the middle of the house which would make it
difficult. I had a Baxi years ago,it had a conventional flue and drew
air in the front, ie under the gas fire.

 

[Dave]

This spring I intend to replace our very aged New World back boiler, as it
is on it's last legs.

A back boiler would be the ideal and the Baxi Bermuda BBU HE seems to be the
only player in the field.

15kw output would be adequate and much better than the existing, now
inefficient, 11kw.

My main concern is regarding the boiler controls and fire front. It would
appear the the boiler, proprietary flue and fire front are all separate
items. Fair enough.

I need the boiler and flue but do not want any fire front. It would never,
ever, be used.

It also appears that the fire front comes with boiler controls which plug
into the boiler unit.

So, my Q's are:

1) does the boiler have sufficient inbuilt controls or is a fire front with
attached controls a necessity? Baxi are not at all helpful in this.

2) are there any alternatives to the Baxi BBU HE for gas fired back boilers?

Many thanks,

I showed Ian (the ex director of devekopment for Baxi) a print out of
your post, he read it and advised getting a combi boiler and a gas fire.
Obviously you don't want a gas fire, but that was the advie he gave. As
for myself, I am clueless on this subject.

Dave

 

[Nick]

I showed Ian (the ex director of devekopment for Baxi) a print out of your
post, he read it and advised getting a combi boiler and a gas fire.
Obviously you don't want a gas fire, but that was the advie he gave. As
for myself, I am clueless on this subject.

Dave

Thanks Dave,
from what you write, the ex director of development for Baxi may not have
much confidence in his old firm's product.

Probably more to be read tween the lines but food for thought nevertheless.

Thanks very much for your time and effort.

Nick.

 

[geoff]

Thanks Dave,
from what you write, the ex director of development for Baxi may not have
much confidence in his old firm's product.

Err ... what do you expect

still, them being crap keeps me in business

 

[baxitprt]

Thanks Dave,
from what you write, the ex director of development for Baxi may not have
much confidence in his old firm's product.

Probably more to be read tween the lines but food for thought nevertheless.

Thanks very much for your time and effort.

Nick.

Hi there

Please could I point out that the new condensing Baxi Bermuda BBU HE
is not available with a gas fire, due to changes in the Building
Regulations. It comes with a Valor Dimension electric fire, which is
a very attractive fire with a realistic hologram which can be switched
on for effect without producing any heat if you don't need it. You
can find more information here: http://www.baxi.co.uk/products/back-boilers..htm

I hope that helps. Let us know if you need any further information.

Baxi

 

[Nick]

Thanks Dave,
from what you write, the ex director of development for Baxi may not have
much confidence in his old firm's product.

Probably more to be read tween the lines but food for thought
nevertheless.

Thanks very much for your time and effort.

Nick.

Hi there

Please could I point out that the new condensing Baxi Bermuda BBU HE
is not available with a gas fire, due to changes in the Building
Regulations. It comes with a Valor Dimension electric fire, which is
a very attractive fire with a realistic hologram which can be switched
on for effect without producing any heat if you don't need it. You
can find more information here:
http://www.baxi.co.uk/products/back-boilers.htm

I hope that helps. Let us know if you need any further information.

Baxi

Thank you Baxi,

I want a boiler, I don't want a gas fire or electric fire or even a
hologram.
From what I understand from the Baxi website and unhelpful conversations
with Baxi staff I am led to believe that the boiler controls are supplied as
a remote unit which is supplied with the fire front.

1) Please would you confirm if this is indeed the case?

2) Please advise if the boiler can be operated and controlled WITHOUT the
fire front.

You manufacture and supply the things, so you should know.

Simples!

Nick.

 

[baxitprt]

Hi there

Please could I point out that the new condensing BaxiBermudaBBU HE
is not available with a gas fire, due to changes in the Building
Regulations.  It comes with a Valor Dimension electric fire, which is
a very attractive fire with a realistic hologram which can be switched
on for effect without producing any heat if you don't need it.  You
can find more information here:http://www.baxi.co.uk/products/back-boilers.htm

I hope that helps.  Let us know if you need any further information.

Baxi

Thank you Baxi,

I want a boiler, I don't want a gas fire or electric fire or even a
hologram.
From what I understand from the Baxi website and unhelpful conversations
with Baxi staff I am led to believe that the boiler controls are suppliedas
a remote unit which is supplied with the fire front.

1) Please would you confirm if this is indeed the case?

2) Please advise if the boiler can be operated and controlled WITHOUT the
fire front.

You manufacture and supply the things, so you should know.

Simples!

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Hi Nick

I have checked with our product management department. Unfortunately,
the new Baxi Bermuda BBU HE bundle only comes as a replacement for
both an existing BBU unit and fire, and the boiler can't be used
separately without the fire front. Sorry.

Baxi