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Tim Lamb

Norton are kindly offering me an upgrade claimed to be compatible with
Windows 8!

As I am still on XP service pack 3 are there any gotchas?
 
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John Williamson

Tim said:
Norton are kindly offering me an upgrade claimed to be compatible with
Windows 8!

As I am still on XP service pack 3 are there any gotchas?
Yes, it's Norton. Get rid of it and install something, anything, else
except McAfee.

Microsoft Security Essentials is free, as are AVG, Avast! and many
others, all of which work better than Norton and use a fraction of the
resources. I use Kaspersky, but only because it's the one supplied and
recommended by my bank, so if it all goes horribly wrong on the banking
front, I've got my due diligence sorted out.
 
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Brian Gaff

Who knows but its bound to be slow on older hardware and may not even work
properly in xp.

Brian
 
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Martin Brown

I've been using Avast! for a couple of weeks now, and all seems good. I had
been using AVG, but I was getting annoyed at the frequency with which it
wanted me to reboot. I'll soon find out if Avast! is any better in this
respect.

But as a network admin years ago, I was amazed how popular McAfee was. I
found it to be terrible. Never tried Norton, but having tried a few Symantec
things, I was never tempted to go near it. Which was a shame because I
thought Norton made a few really good utilities in the old days.
Norton utilities in the very distant old days was good. Not so its
modern offerings unless you are fond of resource hungry bloatware.

McAfee seems to combine the worst of all worlds. I marvel at the fact
that so many corporate IT types inflict it upon their end users!
 
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Davey

snip

Norton utilities in the very distant old days was good. Not so its
modern offerings unless you are fond of resource hungry bloatware.

McAfee seems to combine the worst of all worlds.
Agreed on all counts. Norton started to delay the booting of my PC to
the point where it was more than just stupid, so I dumped it, and have
no regrets.
 
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Mentalguy2k8

Martin Brown said:
Norton utilities in the very distant old days was good. Not so its modern
offerings unless you are fond of resource hungry bloatware.

McAfee seems to combine the worst of all worlds. I marvel at the fact that
so many corporate IT types inflict it upon their end users!
I'd be wary of any software maker that has deals in place to have their
bloated stuff pre-installed on new PCs. Their paid "updates" are no
different to Epson giving away printers but charging the earth for ink. "If
you uninstall this software or refill your ink cartridges, bad things will
happen to you & your family"

I had an uninvited copy of Norton on a new PC that I bought a few years ago,
and you had to actually download *another* Norton program (not advertised
but found via Google) to uninstall it properly, the preinstalled uninstall
option left bits of it everywhere and crashed the OS. And even then you had
to answer questions like "Hey, you do know you will die horribly if you
uninstall this? Yes or No?". And of course, the Windows recovery disk that
came with the PC wasn't actually a vanilla copy of Windows, it was the PC
manufacturer's buggered-about-with copy of Windows so the unwary would
re-install Windows after a major issue, and end up with all the crap again.

It's the same thing nowadays with Smartphones that come with crap like
Spotify and cloud storage already loaded and can't be removed (unless you
void your warranty and root the device). At least on a PC you can eventually
get rid of this rubbish, it may take a few days but you'll get there.
 
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Peter Percival

[...] Which was a shame because I
thought Norton made a few really good utilities in the old days.
In the days of DOS they did. (So, 20 years or more ago.)
 
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polygonum

I was amazed how popular McAfee was
"Popular" isn't a word that springs to mind re _any_ AV product! (Unless
preceded by "un".)

Afraid I stick with MSE which seems to be undersold by MS (possibly to
avoid war with other AV companies). Least intrusive. Have tried many
over the years and each one has seen fit to piss me off. Was it AVG kept
saying I had to start paying, but the next release freebie was already
available?

I might have bought one or another but every single one has been
hell-bent on proving that I should not spend any money on them.
 
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Peter Percival

Mentalguy2k8 said:
I like Online Armor because [...]
IRTA online amour!

[Whenever I see the word "martial" I thinks it's "marital".]
 
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Peter Percival

Davey said:
Agreed on all counts. Norton started to delay the booting of my PC to
the point where it was more than just stupid, so I dumped it, and have
no regrets.
And dumping Norton is a major task. MS uninstall leaves bits of Norton
everywhere. I assume this is (for once) not MS's fault but rather due
Norton's malice or stupidity.
 
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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

Mentalguy2k8 said:
I like Online Armor because ...
Yes, and Emsisoft provide an exceptionally good level of support, unlike any
other a/v / firewall company I've ever dealt with.

I changed from Eset NOD32 & ZoneAlarm Pro to Emsisoft's Online Armor &
Anti-malware products a few months ago, and am very happy. Neither are
perfect, but the company are listening.
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

Ivan Dobsky said:
I had been using AVG, but I was getting annoyed at the frequency with
which it wanted me to reboot.
I'm using AVG free on several machines and haven't had that problem.
Except when the main software is upgraded, but this isn't often.
 
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Scion

John Williamson put finger to keyboard:
Yes, it's Norton. Get rid of it and install something, anything, else
except McAfee.

Microsoft Security Essentials is free, as are AVG, Avast! and many
others, all of which work better than Norton and use a fraction of the
resources. I use Kaspersky, but only because it's the one supplied and
recommended by my bank, so if it all goes horribly wrong on the banking
front, I've got my due diligence sorted out.
Kaspersky is a fiver at 7 day shop
http://www.7dayshop.com/special/under-a-tenner/kaspersky-internet-
security-2012-1pc-1-year-licence-retail-boxed-includes-free-upgrade-to-
latest-2013-version
although showing out of stock at the moment.
 
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Davey

And dumping Norton is a major task. MS uninstall leaves bits of
Norton everywhere. I assume this is (for once) not MS's fault but
rather due Norton's malice or stupidity.
Agreed. Even after it was supposedly gone, I would occasionally get
messages saying that it had detected something, rather like a zombie
re-appearing from the grave.
I finally killed it when I replaced the HDD and did a fresh install.
 
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Bod

Agreed on all counts. Norton started to delay the booting of my PC to
the point where it was more than just stupid, so I dumped it, and have
no regrets.
I know several guys who haven't used anti virus for years and never had
a problem on Windows machines. I wouldn't risk it myself though.
 
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John Williamson

Peter said:
[...] Which was a shame because I
thought Norton made a few really good utilities in the old days.
In the days of DOS they did. (So, 20 years or more ago.)
Still got the floppy rescue set as well as the CD.
 
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Bill

polygonum said:
Afraid I stick with MSE which seems to be undersold by MS (possibly to
avoid war with other AV companies). Least intrusive. Have tried many
over the years and each one has seen fit to piss me off. Was it AVG
kept saying I had to start paying, but the next release freebie was
already available?
Hmmm, I have to turn MSE off to get reliable audio performance with
recording and editing software.

I get peaks of kernel timer latency and hard page fault resolution time
(whatever they are). To get these down to sensible levels on a Thinkpad,
I have to disable wifi and MSE. Only then can it be trusted to record
reliably.
 
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F Murtz

Tim said:
Norton are kindly offering me an upgrade claimed to be compatible with
Windows 8!

As I am still on XP service pack 3 are there any gotchas?
Norton IS a virus.Try and get rid of it.
 
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cl

Bod said:
I know several guys who haven't used anti virus for years and never had
a problem on Windows machines. I wouldn't risk it myself though.
Well I'm one. Just don't read E-Mails on your Windows machine and don't
go to dodgy websites. I've got some pretty old XP installations and
they're all uninfected to the best of my knowledge. All my E-Mail and
web browsing is done on Linux, I just have the XP installs for the odd
MS Office file that isn't displayed right in LibreOffice and for HMRC
and for my Epson scanner drivers.
 

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