Alarm


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Ed

Regards..How much should I pay for a wired alarm system 5 movement detectors
2 door switches outdoor siren and strobe plus dummy box and indoor siren ?
any ideas of cost or suggestions ? Thank you E
 
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Colin Wilson

Regards..How much should I pay for a wired alarm system 5 movement detectors
2 door switches outdoor siren and strobe plus dummy box and indoor siren ?
any ideas of cost or suggestions ? Thank you E
If you want to DIY it...

PIRs are dirt cheap (£5-£10 each max for a standard detector), panels
will probably set you back about £35, and I didn`t think anyone actually
bothered with door switches any more !

As for fitting a dummy box, considering the time spent up a ladder
fitting the damn thing, you might as well spend the extra £12 and get a
real one !

Try checking out the prices here (watch the wrap) :

http://www.tlc-
direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Alarm_Index/Alarm_Panels_and_Systems/index.html

They`re probably easy enough for a DIY install in most circumstances
too...
 
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Colin Wilson

Also consider not putting the alarm on your house insurance:
o Discounts are often small - and a great get-out clause for insurers
o Installation & Maintenance - insurers often require approved on both
Both good points !

If the alarm ever failed, they`d try to wriggle out of paying if you had
it declared.
Watch choice of PIRs if you have pets - and take care with cables,
route them carefully and finding a staple through one spoils your day.
AFAIK the "pet" PIRs just don`t scan as low in the room, so may miss
considerable gaps in coverage, so positioning may be more critical.

I have to admit I did once put a staple through someones alarm while
running a phone extension for them... I was expecting a call for weeks
afterwards :-}
The Panic alarm is handy, site carefully re main bedroom/hall.
And dirt cheap... wow they`re almost a fiver now - the last ones I bought
(cased in metal) were about £3.50 !
LCD ones can be easier for other familly members to set, as they can be
programmed to give useful messages instead of like programming a VCR.
Basic panels like the Optima are easy enough to program for basic use
despite no fancy display - from memory they`re something like this...

to activate : <code> SET
to omit a zone : <code> OMIT <zone> SET
to deactivate : <code>

As long as you have a list of zones stuck near the panel you`re laughing
 
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Ed

I don't think I could do it [Aged] How much do you think a professional
would charge to do the job. Thanks E
 
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Graham Wilson

One big benefit of them is their fire/smoke capability:
o Kitchen - don't fit smoke, fit a heat-detector
---- particularly if anyone has a habit of unattended barbecues
o Hall - smoke detector outside bedroom area
---- benefit is 12V powered off the alarm & battery backup
My parents had a burglar alarm fitted that included a smoke detector.

The smoke detector was a conventional device and situated in the
hallway cose to the kitchen. The whole street knew when dinner was
ready!
The Panic alarm is handy, site carefully re main bedroom/hall.
We had a panic button fitted in the hallway. The only problem was my
little nephew could reach the button and as a result he kept setting
it off. Oh, let's play with grandma's alarm system. Ahhhhh!

Graham
 
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Graham Wilson

Both good points !

If the alarm ever failed, they`d try to wriggle out of paying if you had
it declared.
You can actually pay for an add on to some insurance policies. This
covers you even in the event that you forgot to set the alarm.

It is certainly available on some commercial insurance policies. Has
anyone come across it in residential policies?

If you want ultimate protection fit smokecloak. Not cheap though.

Smokecloak is a unit that is secured to the wall near the ceiling. It
looks like a wall mounted hi-fi speaker.

If the alarm is activated then the unit releases a dense fog into the
room. The fog is similar to the "smoke" used in smoke generation
machines in nightclubs. (The unit can be topped up again and again).

The only difference is that the fog generated by this unit spreads
rapidly, is more dense and hangs in the air for much longer.

The unit will fill the entire room in seconds. Visibility drops to
zero. You can't see anything. The system will keep topping the fog up
should any escape through doors or windows.

The police love the system. Our local police said that they were
called to a break-in at a school that was fitted with the same system.

The 3 lads that got into the building could not find their way back
out. When the police turned up the lads were sitting on the floor.
When one of the police officers climbed through the broken window he
nearly stepped on one of the intruders. Apparently, they were sitting
about 6 feet from the window but could not find their way out.

Graham
 
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Alan

Colin said:
Both good points !

If the alarm ever failed, they`d try to wriggle out of paying if you had
it declared.
Be careful with placing a PIR in a hallway. If it is facing your front
door a the postman puts a large cold package through your letterbox into
your centrally heated hall the sensor will detect it :(

My sensor is now above the front door pointing the other way and angled
to miss anything landing on the door mat :)
 
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Dave Stanton

Both good points !

If the alarm ever failed, they`d try to wriggle out of paying if you had
it declared.
The other point about being approved is that your alarm is fitted in the
same way as hundreds of others, so light fingred fred might learn how they
are fitted and find some way to avoid it. If you fit it yourself, he wont
know what you have done.

Dave
 
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PJ

Anything from £100 pounds up to around £1500 depending if you want shite or
a top notch high security jobbie.

Sensibly though if you pay less than £350 it's probably crap or badly
installed or both.
 
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PJ

Be careful with placing a PIR in a hallway. If it is facing your front
door a the postman puts a large cold package through your letterbox into
your centrally heated hall the sensor will detect it :(
Bollocks! Utter bollocks.
 
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PJ

If you want to DIY it...

PIRs are dirt cheap (£5-£10 each max for a standard detector), panels
will probably set you back about £35, and I didn`t think anyone actually
bothered with door switches any more !

£5 for a PIR... it shite then. Hoiw many false alarms don't you want!

As for fitting a dummy box, considering the time spent up a ladder
fitting the damn thing, you might as well spend the extra £12 and get a
real one !

Plus the wiring, time, etc.
 
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Owain

| The Panic alarm is handy, site carefully re main bedroom/hall.

A (concealed) panic button in the bathroom or loo can be a good idea. In a
hold-up or hostage situation the bathroom is usually the only place the
occupants will be allowed to go to unaccompanied, especially if it's an
internal room, and often it's also the only room that can be locked from
inside, forming a place of refuge. Silent alarms should preferably be used
if there is a real risk of hostage situation to avoid retaliation.

Of course, these irritating precautions wouldn't be necessary if Barratt et
al built proper homes with ramparts, portcullis and moat.

Owain
 
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PJ

AFAIK the "pet" PIRs just don`t scan as low in the room, so may miss
considerable gaps in coverage, so positioning may be more critical.

Not the case these days. Pet PIR's are now programmed and are no longer
simply a single plane detector.

And dirt cheap... wow they`re almost a fiver now - the last ones I bought
(cased in metal) were about £3.50 !

Adn you expect quality for £3.50 do you?

Basic panels like the Optima are easy enough to program for basic use
despite no fancy display - from memory they`re something like this...

to activate : <code> SET
to omit a zone : <code> OMIT <zone> SET
to deactivate : <code>

Zzzzzzzz,zzz,zzzzz


As long as you have a list of zones stuck near the panel you`re laughing

Why? Will the list be funny? I've never laughed at a zone list. There again
I have an iD system so I don't need a zone list !
 
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PJ

Ed said:
I don't think I could do it [Aged] How much do you think a professional
would charge to do the job. Thanks E
Why don't you phone some and ask? Also ask your local Police crime
prevention officer. They'll give advice of a much higher quality than most
of the dick heads here.
 
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PJ

The other point about being approved is that your alarm is fitted in the
same way as hundreds of others, so light fingred fred might learn how they
are fitted and find some way to avoid it. If you fit it yourself, he wont
know what you have done.
Oh dear, that old chestnut. Oh Please!
 
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PJ

We had a panic button fitted in the hallway. The only problem was my
little nephew could reach the button and as a result he kept setting
it off. Oh, let's play with grandma's alarm system. Ahhhhh!
Ah! didumms
 
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Andrew Gabriel

Bollocks! Utter bollocks.
Nope, had it happen myself.
Sensor couldn't see the door, but a letter that
skated 6' in along the floor came into view and
triggered it.
 
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Dave Stanton

Oh dear, that old chestnut. Oh Please!
OK, so you know how I have mine wired ?. Picking holes in everyones posts
today are we, no mates to play with today then ?

Dave
 

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