Why does my outside hose bib (spigot) have a hollow stem that LEAKS???

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  1. Joy

    Joy Guest

    (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as a
    reply for someone else instead of a new post.)

    Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.

    What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop THAT
    from from leaking?

    The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.

    Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg

    Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.

    Joy
    Joy, Jun 1, 2007
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    betsyb Guest

    Maybe like a prevention for a frozen pipe. Blows out if under pressure?
    Could be.

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    BetsyB



    "Joy" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:...
    > (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as a
    > reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >
    > Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    > We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    > seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    > screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >
    > What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop THAT
    > from from leaking?
    >
    > The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >
    > Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    > http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >
    > Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >
    > Joy
    betsyb, Jun 1, 2007
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    Roger Guest

    " Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    > We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    > seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    > screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.> What is
    > the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop THAT from
    > from leaking?> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.> Here is a
    > picture to help you understand what I have...
    > http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg> Thanks for any ideas of
    > what it's for and how to fix.> Joy"


    I've also never heard of a completely hollow valve stem. Usually, the hole
    is tapped only deep enough to take the handle mounting screw. Are you sure
    it is leaking through the hole, and not from the base of the stem where it
    goes into the valve nut? May be easiest just to replace the hose bib valve,
    if replacing the packing and replacing the handle does not do the trick.
    Bib valves are fairly cheap.
    Roger, Jun 1, 2007
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    Grandpa Guest

    Re: Why does my outside hose bib (spigot) have a hollow stem thatLEAKS???

    Joy wrote:
    > (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as
    > a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >
    > Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    > We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    > seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    > screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >
    > What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    > THAT from from leaking?
    >
    > The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >
    > Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    > http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >
    > Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >
    > Joy

    Replace it. That is a boiler drain valve, not a true hosebib.
    You can't stop it from leaking, because it looks like its been
    modified to use the screw instead of the nut to hold the handle on.
    Since it is a boiler valve, you can replace the whole stem and
    washer from another 3/4 inch boiler valve. The guys at Lowes ought
    to be able to sell you on of those for less than $10.
    --
    Grandpa
    Grandpa, Jun 1, 2007
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    Joy Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:07:20 -0400, Roger <sherryrogeratcomcastdotnet>
    wrote:
    >> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    >> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.> What is
    >> the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop THAT from
    >> from leaking?> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.> Here is a
    >> picture to help you understand what I have...
    >> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg> Thanks for any ideas of
    >> what it's for and how to fix.> Joy"

    >
    > I've also never heard of a completely hollow valve stem. Usually, the
    > hole is tapped only deep enough to take the handle mounting screw. Are
    > you sure it is leaking through the hole, and not from the base of the
    > stem where it goes into the valve nut? May be easiest just to replace
    > the hose bib valve, if replacing the packing and replacing the handle
    > does not do the trick.
    > Bib valves are fairly cheap.


    Replacing would probably be difficult. It might be welded on the pipe. Do
    any of these things get screwed on??? I don't want to risk making things
    worse.

    I can SEE the lower part of the screw through the hole in the stem and I'm
    sure the water is leaking from this hole (probably squeezing past the
    screw threads). WITHOUT the screw, the water squirts from the hole under
    pressure. Caught me by surprise, it did.

    I don't believe the hole is to relieve pressure since you can just open
    the bib valve and do the same thing.

    Joy
    Joy, Jun 1, 2007
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    Grandpa Guest

    Re: Why does my outside hose bib (spigot) have a hollow stem thatLEAKS???

    Joy wrote:
    > On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:07:20 -0400, Roger <sherryrogeratcomcastdotnet>
    > wrote:
    >>> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    >>> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >>> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.> What is
    >>> the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop THAT from
    >>> from leaking?> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.> Here is a
    >>> picture to help you understand what I have...
    >>> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg> Thanks for any ideas of
    >>> what it's for and how to fix.> Joy"

    >>
    >> I've also never heard of a completely hollow valve stem. Usually, the
    >> hole is tapped only deep enough to take the handle mounting screw. Are
    >> you sure it is leaking through the hole, and not from the base of the
    >> stem where it goes into the valve nut? May be easiest just to replace
    >> the hose bib valve, if replacing the packing and replacing the handle
    >> does not do the trick.
    >> Bib valves are fairly cheap.

    >
    > Replacing would probably be difficult. It might be welded on the pipe.
    > Do any of these things get screwed on??? I don't want to risk making
    > things worse.
    >


    Boiler valves are NOT welded. They screw on. Yours looks like a 3/4
    FIP valve. Depending upon what the attaching pipe is, you may or may
    not be able to wrench it off. If its old galvanized pipe, you're
    probably better off replacing the guts of the valve.
    --
    Grandpa
    Grandpa, Jun 1, 2007
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    Meat Plow Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:55:31 +0000, Joy wrote:

    > (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as a
    > reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >
    > Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    > We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    > seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    > screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >
    > What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop THAT
    > from from leaking?
    >
    > The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >
    > Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    > http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >
    > Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >
    > Joy


    Looks like it could be removed and replaced. It's brass so it couldn't be
    welded to steel.
    Meat Plow, Jun 1, 2007
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    Joy Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:26:21 -0400, Grandpa <> wrote:

    > Joy wrote:
    >> (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as
    >> a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >> Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    >> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    >> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >> What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    >> THAT from from leaking?
    >> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >> Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    >> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >> Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >> Joy


    > Replace it. That is a boiler drain valve, not a true hosebib.
    > You can't stop it from leaking, because it looks like its been
    > modified to use the screw instead of the nut to hold the handle on.
    > Since it is a boiler valve, you can replace the whole stem and
    > washer from another 3/4 inch boiler valve. The guys at Lowes ought
    > to be able to sell you on of those for less than $10.


    AAhhh. I tried my best to be clear. I'm afraid you assumed the picture is
    of my actual bib... It's not. It's just a picture I found so I could
    illustrate.

    The bib does not appear to be modified and I doubt it was leaking from
    that hole until I removed the screw holding the handle on. Hmmmm. Maybe
    some loc-tite or something to seal the threads and block the water?
    Anyway, still want to know why the hollow stem and how it should REALLY be
    repaired.

    Joy
    Joy, Jun 1, 2007
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    Mike Guest

    On Jun 1, 2:55 pm, Joy <> wrote:
    > (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as a
    > reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >
    > Joy


    I make 2 or 3 posts to alt.home.repair per year, and one of 'em gets
    hi-jacked??
    Mike, Jun 1, 2007
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    Meat Plow Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Joy wrote:

    > On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:26:21 -0400, Grandpa <> wrote:
    >
    >> Joy wrote:
    >>> (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as
    >>> a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >>> Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    >>> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    >>> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >>> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >>> What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    >>> THAT from from leaking?
    >>> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >>> Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    >>> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >>> Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >>> Joy

    >
    >> Replace it. That is a boiler drain valve, not a true hosebib.
    >> You can't stop it from leaking, because it looks like its been
    >> modified to use the screw instead of the nut to hold the handle on.
    >> Since it is a boiler valve, you can replace the whole stem and
    >> washer from another 3/4 inch boiler valve. The guys at Lowes ought
    >> to be able to sell you on of those for less than $10.

    >
    > AAhhh. I tried my best to be clear. I'm afraid you assumed the picture is
    > of my actual bib... It's not. It's just a picture I found so I could
    > illustrate.
    >
    > The bib does not appear to be modified and I doubt it was leaking from
    > that hole until I removed the screw holding the handle on. Hmmmm. Maybe
    > some loc-tite or something to seal the threads and block the water?
    > Anyway, still want to know why the hollow stem and how it should REALLY be
    > repaired.
    >
    > Joy


    Take a picture of it if you can and put it up so we can see it.
    Meat Plow, Jun 1, 2007
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    Grandpa Guest

    Re: Why does my outside hose bib (spigot) have a hollow stem thatLEAKS???

    Joy wrote:
    > On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:26:21 -0400, Grandpa <> wrote:
    >
    >> Joy wrote:
    >>> (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this
    >>> as a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >>> Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    >>> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and
    >>> that seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle
    >>> and that screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >>> What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    >>> THAT from from leaking?
    >>> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >>> Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    >>> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >>> Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >>> Joy

    >
    >> Replace it. That is a boiler drain valve, not a true hosebib.
    >> You can't stop it from leaking, because it looks like its been
    >> modified to use the screw instead of the nut to hold the handle on.
    >> Since it is a boiler valve, you can replace the whole stem and
    >> washer from another 3/4 inch boiler valve. The guys at Lowes ought
    >> to be able to sell you on of those for less than $10.

    >
    > AAhhh. I tried my best to be clear. I'm afraid you assumed the picture
    > is of my actual bib... It's not. It's just a picture I found so I could
    > illustrate.
    >
    > The bib does not appear to be modified and I doubt it was leaking from
    > that hole until I removed the screw holding the handle on. Hmmmm. Maybe
    > some loc-tite or something to seal the threads and block the water?
    > Anyway, still want to know why the hollow stem and how it should REALLY
    > be repaired.
    >
    > Joy

    Post a real picture then if you real help. Still might be able to
    fix it for less than $10.
    --
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    Grandpa, Jun 1, 2007
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    Joy Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:24:05 -0400, Meat Plow <> wrote:

    > On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Joy wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:26:21 -0400, Grandpa <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Joy wrote:
    >>>> (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this
    >>>> as
    >>>> a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >>>> Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    >>>> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and
    >>>> that
    >>>> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >>>> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >>>> What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    >>>> THAT from from leaking?
    >>>> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >>>> Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    >>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >>>> Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >>>> Joy

    >>
    >>> Replace it. That is a boiler drain valve, not a true hosebib.
    >>> You can't stop it from leaking, because it looks like its been
    >>> modified to use the screw instead of the nut to hold the handle on.
    >>> Since it is a boiler valve, you can replace the whole stem and
    >>> washer from another 3/4 inch boiler valve. The guys at Lowes ought
    >>> to be able to sell you on of those for less than $10.

    >>
    >> AAhhh. I tried my best to be clear. I'm afraid you assumed the picture
    >> is
    >> of my actual bib... It's not. It's just a picture I found so I could
    >> illustrate.
    >>
    >> The bib does not appear to be modified and I doubt it was leaking from
    >> that hole until I removed the screw holding the handle on. Hmmmm. Maybe
    >> some loc-tite or something to seal the threads and block the water?
    >> Anyway, still want to know why the hollow stem and how it should REALLY
    >> be
    >> repaired.
    >>
    >> Joy

    >
    > Take a picture of it if you can and put it up so we can see it.
    >
    >



    Ok. If nobody figures this out I will take actual photos.
    It will have to wait until my camera is repaired so it may be a while but
    I'll do it first thing when it returns.

    Joy
    Joy, Jun 1, 2007
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    Joy Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:48:39 -0400, <> wrote:

    >
    >> I can SEE the lower part of the screw through the hole in the stem and
    >> I'm
    >> sure the water is leaking from this hole (probably squeezing past the
    >> screw threads). WITHOUT the screw, the water squirts from the hole under
    >> pressure. Caught me by surprise, it did.

    >
    > This hole that leaks......are you saying it is the same hole as
    > the screw screws into, or are you saying that it is a hole that goes
    > through the side of the stem?


    It is leaking from the hole in the side of the stem through which you can
    see the side of the screw that holds the handle on.

    Joy
    Joy, Jun 1, 2007
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    Meat Plow Guest

    On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:29:05 +0000, Joy wrote:

    >
    > On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:24:05 -0400, Meat Plow <> wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Joy wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:26:21 -0400, Grandpa <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Joy wrote:
    >>>>> (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this
    >>>>> as
    >>>>> a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >>>>> Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    >>>>> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and
    >>>>> that
    >>>>> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >>>>> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >>>>> What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    >>>>> THAT from from leaking?
    >>>>> The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >>>>> Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    >>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >>>>> Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >>>>> Joy
    >>>
    >>>> Replace it. That is a boiler drain valve, not a true hosebib.
    >>>> You can't stop it from leaking, because it looks like its been
    >>>> modified to use the screw instead of the nut to hold the handle on.
    >>>> Since it is a boiler valve, you can replace the whole stem and
    >>>> washer from another 3/4 inch boiler valve. The guys at Lowes ought
    >>>> to be able to sell you on of those for less than $10.
    >>>
    >>> AAhhh. I tried my best to be clear. I'm afraid you assumed the picture
    >>> is
    >>> of my actual bib... It's not. It's just a picture I found so I could
    >>> illustrate.
    >>>
    >>> The bib does not appear to be modified and I doubt it was leaking from
    >>> that hole until I removed the screw holding the handle on. Hmmmm. Maybe
    >>> some loc-tite or something to seal the threads and block the water?
    >>> Anyway, still want to know why the hollow stem and how it should REALLY
    >>> be
    >>> repaired.
    >>>
    >>> Joy

    >>
    >> Take a picture of it if you can and put it up so we can see it.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > Ok. If nobody figures this out I will take actual photos.
    > It will have to wait until my camera is repaired so it may be a while but
    > I'll do it first thing when it returns.
    >
    > Joy


    Shucks, figures your camera would be on the blink.
    Meat Plow, Jun 1, 2007
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    Jeff Wisnia Guest

    Re: Why does my outside hose bib (spigot) have a hollow stem thatLEAKS???

    Joy wrote:

    > (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as
    > a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >
    > Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    > We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    > seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    > screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.
    >
    > What is the purpose of a hole in the hollow stem and how do you stop
    > THAT from from leaking?
    >
    > The guys at Lowes never heard of such a thing.
    >
    > Here is a picture to help you understand what I have...
    > http://mysite.verizon.net/bjkass123/bibhole.jpg
    >
    > Thanks for any ideas of what it's for and how to fix.
    >
    > Joy



    I'll make a WAG that maybe the other end of that valve stem is pretty
    conventionally shaped and has a rubber washer on it which should be held
    in place by a screw. Maybe THAT screw has loosened (or even fallen out)
    so that the rubber washer is no longer compressed under the screw's head
    to keep water from entering the screw hole at that point.

    To the OP, disassemble the hose bib further and let us know what you
    find on the business end of the stem.

    What that cross hole in the stem is for is a question I'd like to hear
    the answer to. <G>

    Jeff

    --
    Jeffry Wisnia
    (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
    The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
    Jeff Wisnia, Jun 2, 2007
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    Bob M. Guest

    "Joy" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:...
    > (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as a
    > reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >
    > Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    > We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    > seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    > screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.


    Could that be a "freeze-proof" spigot? It's a little unlikely based on the
    picture but you said it's a generic picture, not one of the actual item.

    Freeze-proof spigots have a long (6+ inches) stem that _is_ hollow (mine
    are, anyhow), and the actual water-stopping valve portion of it is at the
    far end of that stem.

    Freeze proof spigots are great since you don't have to go around the house
    in November turning off the outside water. That's not hard, but here in
    Montana where it can freeze in September the freeze proof spigots are nice
    to have.
    Bob M., Jun 2, 2007
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    Joy Guest

    I can't see how a freeze-proof spigot is relevant. After shutting water
    supply to the bib, the water would drain from the bib. Why have to remove
    the handle screw to let it dribble out the side????

    Joy


    On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:12:04 -0400, Bob M. <> wrote:

    >
    > "Joy" <> wrote in message
    > news:eek:...
    >> (I'm SO sorry. I'm learning a new browser and I managed to post this as
    >> a reply for someone else instead of a new post.)
    >>
    >> Nothing is easy in home repair!!!
    >> We tried to replace the packing washer in our outside hose bib and that
    >> seemed to go OK, but we removed the screw securing the handle and that
    >> screw seemed to plug a hole in the hollow stem which now leaks.

    >
    > Could that be a "freeze-proof" spigot? It's a little unlikely based on
    > the picture but you said it's a generic picture, not one of the actual
    > item.
    >
    > Freeze-proof spigots have a long (6+ inches) stem that _is_ hollow (mine
    > are, anyhow), and the actual water-stopping valve portion of it is at
    > the far end of that stem.
    >
    > Freeze proof spigots are great since you don't have to go around the
    > house in November turning off the outside water. That's not hard, but
    > here in Montana where it can freeze in September the freeze proof
    > spigots are nice to have.
    Joy, Jun 2, 2007
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    Grandpa Guest

    Re: Why does my outside hose bib (spigot) have a hollow stem thatLEAKS???

    Joy wrote:
    > I can't see how a freeze-proof spigot is relevant. After shutting water
    > supply to the bib, the water would drain from the bib. Why have to
    > remove the handle screw to let it dribble out the side????
    >
    > Joy
    >


    Until you can show us a picture of what you really have, everything
    that goes on in the thread is conjecture. I'd really like to help,
    but I need a little more information. KTHNXBY

    --
    Grandpa
    Grandpa, Jun 2, 2007
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