washer pumps out too fast - what to do?

Discussion in 'Home Repair' started by Doug Lassiter, May 27, 2006.

  1. We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    anymore.)

    Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    is OK.

    A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...

    I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!

    So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    my seal.
     
    Doug Lassiter, May 27, 2006
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  2. Doug Lassiter

    jackson Guest

    "Doug Lassiter" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    > worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    > got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    > stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    > it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    > water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    > wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    > anymore.)
    >
    > Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    > sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    > sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    > any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    > it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    > is OK.
    >
    > A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    > changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    > on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    > allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    > NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    > I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    > seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    > pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    > is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    > good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    > So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    > drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    > bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    > pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    > my seal.
    >


    Sorry, but it sounds to me like the problem is in the drain for the washer
    and not the washer itself. I'd probably call a different plumber.....
     
    jackson, May 27, 2006
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  3. Doug Lassiter wrote:
    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    > worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    > got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    > stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    > it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    > water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    > wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    > anymore.)
    >
    > Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    > sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    > sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    > any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    > it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    > is OK.
    >
    > A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    > changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    > on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    > allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    > NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    > I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    > seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    > pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    > is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    > good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    > So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    > drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    > bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    > pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    > my seal.
    >
    >

    Do you prepare most of your meals at home??

    What do you do with the waste food in dishes. pots/pans, etc????


    You could have a fair accumulation of grease and food if you don't
    scrape all food and cooking waste into the trash can. Plumbers sell an
    enzyme concentrate that you flush down the furthest drain once a month
    to digest accumulated sludge in your pipes.

    The problem may NOT be the washer, but downstream of the kitchen sink.

    Even so, you may still need to get your city to come out and pressure
    flush the sewer. I complained of standing sewage in the street and the
    next day they broughy out a truck with a 2000 psi water pump on it.
    They unplugged at least 3 other partial blockages before they got to my
    house. When they broke through the final barrier, a 3 foot high
    fountain of water, sludge, and waste went into my yard. They spread a
    fair amount of granular chlorine on the waste that remained in my yard.
    Byproduct is that the chlorine also killed the mold growing on the
    concrete, so it is MUCH whiter than the concrete that was not affected.

    Roto Rooter can't do this, they us a mechanical scraper and a garden
    hose. The 2000psi pump REALLY cleans things out. And it costs NOTHING
    to have done, IF you can really complain about standing sewage water in
    the street.
     
    Robert Gammon, May 27, 2006
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  4. Doug Lassiter

    mm Guest

    On 27 May 2006 12:24:13 -0700, "Doug Lassiter" <>
    wrote:

    >We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    >worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    >got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    >stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    >it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    >water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    >wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    >anymore.)
    >
    >Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    >sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    >sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    >any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So


    The normal way this problem is avoided is by having a laundry tub that
    the hose empties into. The water in my tub gets up to 15 inches deep
    I think while the washer** is draining, and I think that is typical.
    So you have your kitchen sink and it's doing the same thing. I think
    you are lucky your sink is doing this. Otherwise the washer hose
    might be pushed out of the pipe.

    *which I think is one notch larger than some, but isn't heavy duty,
    let alone extra heavy duty. What does that mean: it can wash a lot
    of heavy denim at one time. I think.

    It's not bad like when the woman upstairs, in an apartment no less,
    put Drano into her sink, and it backed up in my mother's sink and
    ruined her dutch oven that she had for 40 years. Just don't put
    drano in your laundry and everything will be good.

    >it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    >is OK.
    >
    >A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    >changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    >on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    >allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    >NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    >I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    >seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    >pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    >is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    >good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    >So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    >drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    >bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    >pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    >my seal.


    I don't think you are because it has the kitchen sink as an outlet.
    Just don't plug the sink when doing the laundry.

    Would a constriction on the hose help? I'm not a repairman or
    anything, just a guy with one washing machine and three others in
    earlier years. But when you squeeze a lot of hoses, it just spurts
    out faster in the opening that is there. That doesn't seem to match
    the laws of pressure from high school physics. They would seem to
    imply your plan would lower the output. Someone more clever than I
    can resolve this.

    If you were designing something from scratch, I think one would put a
    restriction in the pump inlet, but that's deep inside the washing
    machine and I definitely wouldn't mess with it.

    I think you should regard your kitchen sink as a laundry tub.

    Then you're done and it won't cost you a penny. Besides the fact
    that I see no other choice.

    Does it ever get too high for the kitchen sink?
     
    mm, May 27, 2006
    #4
  5. Doug Lassiter

    Nonnymus Guest

    Doug Lassiter wrote:
    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has


    Have you considered placing a restriction in the line
    between the washer and the wall? Since the washer's pump is
    probably on a float and not just a timer, reducing the flow
    might be a stopgap measure. I would have no problem pumping
    the water to the yard or garden or even a ditch, but YMMV.

    Just for the heck of it, have you tried running a rod down
    the drain line? Have you tried putting a can of Drano in
    the line, adding some water and letting it sit for a few
    hours? I'd even consider doing the Drano bit from the
    kitchen sink because of old buildup. Here at the house, we
    have no problems, but I still do Drano in every sink yearly
    or even semiannually.

    Nonnymus
     
    Nonnymus, May 27, 2006
    #5
  6. Doug Lassiter

    Bob Guest

    "Doug Lassiter" <> wrote in message news:...
    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    > worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    > got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    > stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    > it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    > water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    > wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    > anymore.)
    >
    > Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    > sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    > sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    > any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    > it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    > is OK.
    >
    > A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    > changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    > on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    > allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    > NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    > I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    > seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    > pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    > is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    > good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    > So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    > drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    > bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    > pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    > my seal.
    >


    Code for this type of drain is 2" drain pipe. With a laundry tub, 1 1/2" works.

    It is possible that careful cleaning of the drains could lessen your problem. You
    could plumb the washer hose directly to the drain and add an air trap there to break
    suction when the water stops. Then have drain stoppers that can be shut tight on the
    sink to prevent overflows there. Resticting the washer hose enough to reduce the flow
    would likely result in a place for lint to catch and gradually close it off further. I don't
    know how much pressure washer pumps can handle. Contact a washer repairman
    for that info.

    Bob
     
    Bob, May 27, 2006
    #6
  7. Doug Lassiter

    Nonnymus Guest

    Bob wrote:

    >
    > Code for this type of drain is 2" drain pipe. With a laundry tub, 1 1/2" works.
    >
    > It is possible that careful cleaning of the drains could lessen your problem. You
    > could plumb the washer hose directly to the drain and add an air trap there to break
    > suction when the water stops. Then have drain stoppers that can be shut tight on the
    > sink to prevent overflows there. Resticting the washer hose enough to reduce the flow
    > would likely result in a place for lint to catch and gradually close it off further. I don't
    > know how much pressure washer pumps can handle. Contact a washer repairman
    > for that info.
    >
    > Bob
    >


    I wonder if someone might have not used a sanitary tee or
    have gotten one installed backwards. It wouldn't be the
    first time.

    Nonnymus
     
    Nonnymus, May 27, 2006
    #7
  8. Doug Lassiter

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Doug Lassiter wrote:

    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    > worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    > got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    > stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    > it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    > water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    > wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    > anymore.)
    >
    > Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    > sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    > sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    > any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    > it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    > is OK.
    >
    > A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    > changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    > on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    > allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    > NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    > I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    > seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    > pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    > is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    > good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    > So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    > drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    > bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    > pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    > my seal.
    >

    Hi,
    Don't blame washer. Something wrong on the side of the drain. Undersized
    or being plugged up. How high is the stand up pipe? I have never
    experienced problem like that. Had the problem always? If not think logic.
     
    Tony Hwang, May 28, 2006
    #8
  9. Robert Gammon wrote:
    >
    > Do you prepare most of your meals at home??
    >
    > What do you do with the waste food in dishes. pots/pans, etc????
    >
    >


    Well, yes. Why would we dump grease etc down the sink? Sorry, this one
    isn't that easy. We do the right thing with our kitchen waste. Also, in
    answer to others, and in relation to this, yes, tried Drano, enzymes,
    etc. repeatedly. No change. Also as I said, the kitchen sink drains
    fine. This is a fire hose pointed down the drain.

    As to having my kitchen sink fill up with washer water, yeah, that's
    better than having the water on the floor, but it's a bit ugly when it
    pushes stuff up from the trap. Yes, having a special sink for a drain
    reservoir is what many people do, but I don't have room for that.

    Let me just emphasize that this washer pumps water out FAST. When it's
    shooting into my garden, it's spurting out two feet in an inch-wide
    stream.

    Now, in the limit of constricting the drain hose, it IS going to lower
    the flow rate. So that's not an issue. The issue is whether I damage
    the pump by doing that.
     
    Doug Lassiter, May 28, 2006
    #9
  10. Doug Lassiter

    Roger Jensen Guest

    Doug,

    Had this same identical problem with my washer. I used an adapter and made a
    solid connection that was several years ago and no problems....

    rog



    "Doug Lassiter" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    > worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    > got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    > stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    > it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    > water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    > wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    > anymore.)
    >
    > Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    > sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    > sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    > any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    > it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    > is OK.
    >
    > A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    > changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    > on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    > allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    > NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    > I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    > seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    > pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    > is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    > good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    > So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    > drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    > bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    > pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    > my seal.
    >
     
    Roger Jensen, May 28, 2006
    #10
  11. Doug Lassiter

    Guest

    Restricting the line would not damage the pump.
    Raising the pipe higher would reduce the flow rate as well. Add another
    foot or two of head.
     
    , May 28, 2006
    #11
  12. Doug Lassiter

    Guest

    The obvious answer is installing a new larger diameter like 3 or 4 inch
    sewer line for the washer.

    slowing emptying the washer may well result in less dry clothes and
    higer dryer costs:(
     
    , May 28, 2006
    #12
  13. Doug Lassiter

    Bill Gill Guest

    Doug Lassiter wrote:
    > We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    > worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    > got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    > stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    > it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    > water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    > wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    > anymore.)
    >
    > Now, that same drain pipe is also fed by the dishwasher and kitchen
    > sink, and there is no such trouble with them. Water drains out of the
    > sink pretty quickly, in fact -- for a sink. As you might guess, without
    > any overflow line (see below) the washer pump also fills up my sink. So
    > it seems that at least between my washer and the kitchen sink, the line
    > is OK.
    >
    > A plumber has come in to clean out the drain pipe, and nothing much
    > changes. I finally attached an overflow line on the access port fixture
    > on the outside wall of the house (conveniently behind the washer) that
    > allows this water flow from the washer to shoot out into the garden.
    > NIce, and kinda spectacular, but ...
    >
    > I've been told by a neighbor that I'm supposed to NOT have a perfect
    > seal between the drain hose and the sewer pipe, as there has to be air
    > pressure relief. (The plumber didn't think this was an issue.) But this
    > is certainly not the solution to the problem because if the seal isn't
    > good, as I said, the water just spills out faster!
    >
    > So it seems that I have a washer pump that is too powerful for my
    > drain. What are my options? I guess I could constrict the drain hose a
    > bit to slow the flow, but I'm concerned that might be stressing the
    > pump. Would it? Actually, I'm probably already stressing the pump with
    > my seal.
    >

    I noticed one response that said trying a larger line.
    That would be something to think about.

    I had a problem with my washer drain backing up and
    finally got tired of it. It wasn't quite the same as
    your descrption, but it happened over and over. I
    called the plumber and said I wanted it fixed. He came
    and replaced the line from the washer and sink back to
    the (larger) line under the bathroom. He also installed
    a vent at the washer drain. Before the closest vent was
    at the kitchen sink, which is too far away. So check on
    that too. Then call a different plumber and get
    somebody to replace all the drain with an appropriate
    sized pipe.

    In my case it cost me $700 here in Tulsa, OK. The
    installation is different, because the drain is no
    longer in the wall, it now runs on the surface of the
    wall behind the washer. The vent is run up the wall
    about 7 feet and has a one way valve on the top.

    By the way, mine is in the garage.

    Bill Gill
     
    Bill Gill, May 28, 2006
    #13
  14. Doug Lassiter

    3rd eye Guest

    On 27 May 2006 12:24:13 -0700, "Doug Lassiter" <>
    wrote:

    >We have a GE "extra heavy duty large capacity" washing machine that has
    >worked beautifully for more than a decade. Unfortunately, ever since we
    >got it, the drain line has been problematical. The washer drain hose is
    >stuck into a 1.5-inch ID pipe opening in the washer wall fixture behind
    >it. If the seal between that drain hose and the pipe is not good, the
    >water will overflow out the opening and spill down the side of the
    >wall. (Yeah, we don't have a lot of wallboard left under there
    >anymore.)
    >

    I don't know if this will help or not but it might be worth
    considering.

    I extended my drain hose a couple of inches.
    I was afraid it might jump out of the drain.
     
    3rd eye, May 28, 2006
    #14
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