Trade emulsion

Discussion in 'UK DIY' started by AK, Jun 26, 2004.

  1. AK

    AK Guest

    Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    is!!

    Cheers

    Angela
     
    AK, Jun 26, 2004
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  2. AK

    TP Guest

    "AK" <> wrote:
    >
    >Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    >emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    >emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    >is!!



    I remember when, several years ago on "Changing Rooms", one of the
    couples proudly returned from a trip to B&Q with a large plastic tub
    of Trade Paint ...

    and Handy Andy said "I see you've bought some Three-Coat Emulsion".

    ;-)

    Moral of the story; treat the sheds' own-brand "trade" emulsion with
    the greatest caution.

    Of course, if you go to a trade supplier and buy a *branded* trade
    paint, you will find it is of very good quality, and often needs to be
    thinned before use.
     
    TP, Jun 26, 2004
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  3. AK

    Cycle Guest

    "AK" <> wrote in message
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    > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    > emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    > emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    > is!!
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Angela
    >
    >

    Have you noticed there is a bit of help from Dulux to answer this question
    about Dulux products, on the Dulux web page under Frequently Asked
    Questions? I am not much wiser after reading it though; different
    consistency because professionals like to thin their paint, both are "made
    to the same ... specification" but have a "different formulation".
     
    Cycle, Jun 26, 2004
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  4. AK

    G&M Guest

    "AK" <> wrote in message
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    > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    > emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    > emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    > is!!


    Don't buy any own brand paint - trade or DIY. The price looks cheap but
    per m^2 of finished job it inevitably works out more expensive.

    But if you mean Dulux Trade it does have a different consistancy. I think
    this may be because professional painters thin the paint to get it on faster
    so it needs more pigment.
     
    G&M, Jun 26, 2004
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  5. AK

    AK Guest

    "G&M" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > "AK" <> wrote in message
    > news:cbkphp$7s8$2surf.net...
    > > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion

    and
    > > emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and

    standard
    > > emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    > > is!!

    >
    > Don't buy any own brand paint - trade or DIY. The price looks

    cheap but
    > per m^2 of finished job it inevitably works out more expensive.
    >
    > But if you mean Dulux Trade it does have a different consistancy.

    I think
    > this may be because professional painters thin the paint to get it

    on faster
    > so it needs more pigment.


    I usually buy Dulux or Crown, I have experienced how rubbish shed
    brand paints are so avoid them. Somebody told me Albany paints are
    pretty good but I have no experience of them so I am wary of using
    them. there is a colour I like in National Trust paint, but as I am
    doing the hall and stairs of a 3 story house I would have to sell my
    soul to the devil to be able to afford to buy enough. Albany have
    (what looks like) the same colour, but am very wary as I have never
    used it before.

    So.......this may be another daft question but if I use trade paint
    and don't thin it down is it likely that I may get away with just one
    coat (the colours are very similar anyway)?

    Angela
     
    AK, Jun 27, 2004
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  6. AK

    RichardS Guest

    "AK" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > "G&M" <> wrote in message
    > news:cbkt4m$3n7$...
    > >
    > > "AK" <> wrote in message
    > > news:cbkphp$7s8$2surf.net...
    > > > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion

    > and
    > > > emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and

    > standard
    > > > emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    > > > is!!

    > >
    > > Don't buy any own brand paint - trade or DIY. The price looks

    > cheap but
    > > per m^2 of finished job it inevitably works out more expensive.
    > >
    > > But if you mean Dulux Trade it does have a different consistancy.

    > I think
    > > this may be because professional painters thin the paint to get it

    > on faster
    > > so it needs more pigment.

    >
    > I usually buy Dulux or Crown, I have experienced how rubbish shed
    > brand paints are so avoid them. Somebody told me Albany paints are
    > pretty good but I have no experience of them so I am wary of using
    > them. there is a colour I like in National Trust paint, but as I am
    > doing the hall and stairs of a 3 story house I would have to sell my
    > soul to the devil to be able to afford to buy enough. Albany have
    > (what looks like) the same colour, but am very wary as I have never
    > used it before.
    >
    > So.......this may be another daft question but if I use trade paint
    > and don't thin it down is it likely that I may get away with just one
    > coat (the colours are very similar anyway)?
    >
    > Angela
    >
    >


    I doubt it.

    I've just painted the downstairs receptions using Farrow & Ball Estate
    Emulsion, and even painting on an even base of fresh brilliant white matt
    there was no way that I could achieve an even coating using just one coat.
    This is pretty good paint, but even this required a second coat.

    I used to use Dulux Trade pretty much exclusively when decorating, but after
    lengthy conversations with the decorator in the family switched to Leyland
    or Johnstones, and I don't notice the difference - in application or finish
    (and I am a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to decorating). The
    difference that I do notice is in the price - not far off half the price of
    the Dulux.

    Albany falls somewhere in the middle of the price IIRC. There's a Brewers
    near us, and though I've used it once I don't really like it as a store
    because they only sell Dulux and their own brand - Albany - in the trade
    paints. They're not particularly cheap, either.

    If I were you I'd go with two coats, and not thin the paint (I never have,
    and to my knowledge the decorator doesn't, either).

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    Richard Sampson

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    RichardS, Jun 27, 2004
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  7. AK

    N. Thornton Guest

    "AK" <> wrote in message news:<cbl0cu$9ul$2surf.net>...
    > "G&M" <> wrote in message
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    > > > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion

    > and
    > > > emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and

    > standard
    > > > emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    > > > is!!


    Trade emulsion is very low quality breathable paint, more like
    distempter than vinyl emulsion. I think many people are fooled into
    thinking its a good safe buy because its called 'trade.'

    Leyland do some good quality paints, and at sensible prices. See
    screwfix.com. Dulux I've had very mixed results with, and their prices
    can be a bit stupid.


    > So.......this may be another daft question but if I use trade paint
    > and don't thin it down is it likely that I may get away with just one
    > coat (the colours are very similar anyway)?
    >
    > Angela


    No chance. If not thinned, no chance, unless youre unfussy about the
    finish. FWIW I'd avoid the so called trade paints except when going
    onto fresh plaster. Theyre simply carp.


    Regards, NT
     
    N. Thornton, Jun 27, 2004
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  8. On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:50:02 +0100, TP <> wrote:

    >"AK" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    >>emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    >>emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    >>is!!

    >
    >
    >I remember when, several years ago on "Changing Rooms", one of the
    >couples proudly returned from a trip to B&Q with a large plastic tub
    >of Trade Paint ...
    >
    >and Handy Andy said "I see you've bought some Three-Coat Emulsion".
    >
    >;-)
    >
    >Moral of the story; treat the sheds' own-brand "trade" emulsion with
    >the greatest caution.
    >
    >Of course, if you go to a trade supplier and buy a *branded* trade
    >paint, you will find it is of very good quality, and often needs to be
    >thinned before use.


    Dulux or Crown are fine for woodwork, e.g. satin wood, or gloss. But I
    would *never* pay the extortionate price they demand for ordinary
    emulsion for walls. I used the Homebase brand extensively (matt white
    emulsion), which is roughly half the price of Dulux. After painting a
    whole house with it, I know that it is just as good as the Dulux brand
    in covering and whiteness, as I have used Dulux emulsion before. Also,
    it doesn't smell so bad (the Dulux stuff seems to smell of rotten eggs
    while it's drying).

    As for all the "posh" paints, like Farrow & Ball or National Trust,
    well, to my mind people just have more money than sense! It's only
    paint, for heck's sake!

    The secret is in the preparation, anyway. That's where the effort
    goes, or should. Get a good surface to start with and you can get
    excellent results with Woolworths own brand!

    MM
     
    Mike Mitchell, Jun 27, 2004
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  9. AK

    G&M Guest

    "Paul Mc Cann" <> wrote in message
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    > In article <>,
    > says...
    > > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:50:02 +0100, TP <> wrote:
    > >

    > snip
    > >
    > > As for all the "posh" paints, like Farrow & Ball or National Trust,
    > > well, to my mind people just have more money than sense! It's only
    > > paint, for heck's sake!
    > >

    > There is the slight matter of colour availability


    But the Dulux mix at the shop gives almost every possible permutation.
     
    G&M, Jun 27, 2004
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  10. AK

    Pet Guest

    G&M wrote:

    > Don't buy any own brand paint - trade or DIY. The price looks cheap but
    > per m^2 of finished job it inevitably works out more expensive.


    I disagree.
    Having recently had the whole of the living area of our house
    re-plastered including ceilings, I can vouch for Wickes' Trade white
    emulsion.
    Applied by roller it covered all walls and fresh plaster in a single
    coat applied by roller.

    That's 2 x 6x4m rooms with ceilings.


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    Pet, Jun 28, 2004
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  11. AK

    G&M Guest

    "Pet" <> wrote in message
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    > G&M wrote:
    >
    > > Don't buy any own brand paint - trade or DIY. The price looks cheap

    but
    > > per m^2 of finished job it inevitably works out more expensive.

    >
    > I disagree.
    > Having recently had the whole of the living area of our house
    > re-plastered including ceilings, I can vouch for Wickes' Trade white
    > emulsion.


    But the current price of Dulux White emulsion in B&Q and Tesco of all places
    is cheaper than Wicke's own brand. So unless the Wickes one goes further
    ....
     
    G&M, Jun 28, 2004
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  12. AK

    G&M Guest

    "Andy Hall" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:31:41 +0100, Mike Mitchell
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    > >
    > >As for all the "posh" paints, like Farrow & Ball or National Trust,
    > >well, to my mind people just have more money than sense! It's only
    > >paint, for heck's sake!

    >
    > F&B paints are of much better quality than Dulux IME, although the
    > main issue is the colour selection. Even with the Dulux mix and
    > match or whatever they call it, I often have difficulty finding the
    > one I want.


    If you have the time, send them a sample and they usually match it well.
    There used to be a scanner system in some places to get an exact match but
    these seem to be rarer. I did try to decode their pigment codes for the
    mixer machine but there appears to be some sort of scrambling applied to
    stop you asking for the exact CMY you require.
     
    G&M, Jun 28, 2004
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  13. AK

    stuart noble Guest

    Andy Hall wrote in message ...
    >I've found that the colour is only part of the equation, there are
    >other effects which I can only assume are to do with the formulation.
    >For example, I've used F&B's Lime White Estate Emulsion in a couple of
    >applications and have not been able to duplicate it in colour or
    >appearance with anything else.

    The story goes that F&B still use traditional edge grinding to disperse
    their pigments, which results in a coarser mix.
     
    stuart noble, Jun 29, 2004
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  14. On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:04:25 +0100, Andy Hall <>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:31:41 +0100, Mike Mitchell
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >>As for all the "posh" paints, like Farrow & Ball or National Trust,
    >>well, to my mind people just have more money than sense! It's only
    >>paint, for heck's sake!

    >
    >F&B paints are of much better quality than Dulux IME, although the
    >main issue is the colour selection. Even with the Dulux mix and
    >match or whatever they call it, I often have difficulty finding the
    >one I want. Usually F&B does have something suitable, and I much
    >prefer using it as well as the texture of the result.
    >
    >>
    >>The secret is in the preparation, anyway. That's where the effort
    >>goes, or should.

    >
    >That's always true.
    >
    >>Get a good surface to start with and you can get
    >>excellent results with Woolworths own brand!

    >
    >That is stretching it.....


    I'll bet any proficient painter will get a better finish using poor
    paint on a good surface than the other way round.

    MM
     
    Mike Mitchell, Jun 29, 2004
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  15. AK wrote:
    > Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    > emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    > emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    > is!!
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Angela
    >
    >

    Very little. Traade is at first site cheaper, but its basically usually
    just thinner anyway.


    We gave up and went for all Farrow and Ball. may be a little more
    expensive, but its solid pigment all the way through.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Jun 30, 2004
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  16. Mike Mitchell wrote:

    > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:50:02 +0100, TP <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"AK" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between trade emulsion and
    >>>emulsion for sale in the sheds? I can buy both Trade and standard
    >>>emulsion at my local Brewers but I don't know what the difference
    >>>is!!

    >>
    >>
    >>I remember when, several years ago on "Changing Rooms", one of the
    >>couples proudly returned from a trip to B&Q with a large plastic tub
    >>of Trade Paint ...
    >>
    >>and Handy Andy said "I see you've bought some Three-Coat Emulsion".
    >>
    >>;-)
    >>
    >>Moral of the story; treat the sheds' own-brand "trade" emulsion with
    >>the greatest caution.
    >>
    >>Of course, if you go to a trade supplier and buy a *branded* trade
    >>paint, you will find it is of very good quality, and often needs to be
    >>thinned before use.

    >
    >
    > Dulux or Crown are fine for woodwork, e.g. satin wood, or gloss. But I
    > would *never* pay the extortionate price they demand for ordinary
    > emulsion for walls. I used the Homebase brand extensively (matt white
    > emulsion), which is roughly half the price of Dulux. After painting a
    > whole house with it, I know that it is just as good as the Dulux brand
    > in covering and whiteness, as I have used Dulux emulsion before. Also,
    > it doesn't smell so bad (the Dulux stuff seems to smell of rotten eggs
    > while it's drying).
    >
    > As for all the "posh" paints, like Farrow & Ball or National Trust,
    > well, to my mind people just have more money than sense! It's only
    > paint, for heck's sake!
    >


    No, it isn't. NOTHING looks like Farrow and ball paint except Farrow and
    ball paint.

    It really is a different class altogether.

    > The secret is in the preparation, anyway. That's where the effort
    > goes, or should. Get a good surface to start with and you can get
    > excellent results with Woolworths own brand!
    >
    > MM
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Jun 30, 2004
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  17. On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:09:07 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
    <> wrote:

    >> I'll bet any proficient painter will get a better finish using poor
    >> paint on a good surface than the other way round.

    >
    >You clearly have never used B&Q "Value" emulsion.


    Indeed. Does anyone shop at B&Q any more? Homebase staff are far more
    helpful, neater, tidier, and the shops just look more inviting than
    B&Q sheds.

    MM
     
    Mike Mitchell, Jul 1, 2004
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  18. On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:23:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <>
    wrote:

    >Mike Mitchell wrote:
    >
    >> As for all the "posh" paints, like Farrow & Ball or National Trust,
    >> well, to my mind people just have more money than sense! It's only
    >> paint, for heck's sake!
    >>

    >
    >No, it isn't. NOTHING looks like Farrow and ball paint except Farrow and
    >ball paint.
    >
    >It really is a different class altogether.


    I don't believe it, sorry. Nothing would ever persuade me that the
    "posh" paints are worth the money. They trade on people who fall for
    the scam, just like the dressed-to-the-nines old biddies who shop at
    Waitrose and would never dream of buying exactly the same product much
    cheaper at ASDA.

    MM
     
    Mike Mitchell, Jul 1, 2004
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  19. AK

    Bob Eager Guest

    On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:07:20 UTC, Mike Mitchell <>
    wrote:

    > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:09:07 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >> I'll bet any proficient painter will get a better finish using poor
    > >> paint on a good surface than the other way round.

    > >
    > >You clearly have never used B&Q "Value" emulsion.

    >
    > Indeed. Does anyone shop at B&Q any more? Homebase staff are far more
    > helpful, neater, tidier, and the shops just look more inviting than
    > B&Q sheds.


    Not round here. IMHO it's down to the local manager.

    Also, I can put up with a lot for the considerably lower prices.

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    Bob Eager, Jul 1, 2004
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  20. AK

    Bob Mannix Guest

    "Christian McArdle" <> wrote in message
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    > > Very little. Traade is at first site cheaper, but its basically usually
    > > just thinner anyway.

    >
    > We're talking about own brand filth here, though. Proper brand trade paint
    > is a superior product. It's worth finding your local Dulux or Crown Trade
    > counter to buy it.


    Quite - I was going to say exactly that. The sheds do sometimes carry Dulux
    trade. I always use Dulux trade liquid emulsion as you get a better finish
    (once you have got used to it).


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    Bob Mannix, Jul 1, 2004
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