Tieing-in block wall to brick piers

Discussion in 'Misc DIY' started by Andy, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. Andy

    Andy Guest

    Hello,

    I need to build a block wall about 4 feet high as a boundary wall between my
    house and my neighbours'.
    The present fence is on the verge of collapse and he doesn't like wood so...

    My problem is that I am worried about how I tie 4" medium density blocks
    into brickwork, worse, preexisting brickwork. How do you tie a block wall
    into a two-brick
    pier? I see these galvanised mesh ties exist but surely they're only good
    for new work. Is it practical to rake out old mortar and shove one end of a
    mesh tie into prexisting
    brickwork?

    I'm thinking there may be something I can screw into the existing pier, then
    cement into the block work, but the only things I've seen look like cavity
    wall ties.

    Any ideas?

    Andy.
    Andy, Sep 26, 2005
    #1
  2. Andy

    keith_765 Guest

    "Andy" <> wrote in message
    news:43384674@212.67.96.135...
    > Hello,
    >
    > I need to build a block wall about 4 feet high as a boundary wall between

    my
    > house and my neighbours'.
    > The present fence is on the verge of collapse and he doesn't like wood

    so...
    >
    > My problem is that I am worried about how I tie 4" medium density blocks
    > into brickwork, worse, preexisting brickwork. How do you tie a block wall
    > into a two-brick
    > pier? I see these galvanised mesh ties exist but surely they're only good
    > for new work. Is it practical to rake out old mortar and shove one end of

    a
    > mesh tie into prexisting
    > brickwork?
    >
    > I'm thinking there may be something I can screw into the existing pier,

    then
    > cement into the block work, but the only things I've seen look like cavity
    > wall ties.
    >
    > Any ideas?
    >
    > Andy.

    Try door cramps brackets
    keith_765, Sep 26, 2005
    #2
  3. Andy

    Andy Guest

    "Lobster" <> wrote in message
    news:nx_Ze.21949$...
    > Andy wrote:
    >
    >> My problem is that I am worried about how I tie 4" medium density blocks
    >> into brickwork, worse, preexisting brickwork. How do you tie a block wall
    >> into a two-brick
    >> pier? I see these galvanised mesh ties exist but surely they're only good
    >> for new work. Is it practical to rake out old mortar and shove one end of
    >> a mesh tie into prexisting
    >> brickwork?
    >>
    >> I'm thinking there may be something I can screw into the existing pier,
    >> then cement into the block work, but the only things I've seen look like
    >> cavity wall ties.

    >
    > You need these babies: http://tinyurl.com/8zag2 (or
    > <http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101892&ts=73501&id=31633>)
    >
    > David


    Really? They don't look very heavy-duty. I thought that with a wall and all,
    something chunkier might be in order. Still, I expect I'll have to use one
    per course so that give me five ties at the interface at least.
    I'll also have a look at the door cramp thingy suggestion. I know I
    can build whatever I like on my side but I don't actually object to the idea
    of a wall, and having the wall on the boundary centreline gives me a little
    more space to open my car door!

    Cheers,

    Andy.
    Andy, Sep 27, 2005
    #3
  4. Andy

    Paul Andrews Guest

    "Andy" <> wrote in message
    news:4338834b@212.67.96.135...
    >
    > "Lobster" <> wrote in message
    > news:nx_Ze.21949$...
    > > Andy wrote:
    > >

    snip

    > >> I'm thinking there may be something I can screw into the existing pier,
    > >> then cement into the block work, but the only things I've seen look

    like
    > >> cavity wall ties.

    > >
    > > You need these babies: http://tinyurl.com/8zag2 (or
    > >

    <http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101892&ts=73501&id=31633>)
    > >
    > > David

    >
    > Really? They don't look very heavy-duty. I thought that with a wall and

    all,
    > something chunkier might be in order. Still, I expect I'll have to use one
    > per course so that give me five ties at the interface at least.


    snip

    > Andy.


    This might be a bit more suitable:
    http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101892&ts=91448&id=41311
    though I've not ordered one myself.

    I know you can get similar items from Wickes (cost £19.99 - designed to tie
    brick walls together) which would allow
    you to tie a wall section between a pair of piers (the Wickes pack includes
    two sections of fixing). So depending on how many piers you have it's going
    to be expensive. Presumably if your neighbour is objecting to wood, I
    suppose they're paying half?

    Personally I'd think that bare blocks between brick piers would look far
    uglier than wood.

    Paul
    Paul Andrews, Sep 27, 2005
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  5. Andy

    in2minds Guest

    > I need to build a block wall about 4 feet high as a boundary wall
    > between my house and my neighbours'.
    > The present fence is on the verge of collapse and he doesn't like wood
    > so...
    >
    > My problem is that I am worried about how I tie 4" medium density
    > blocks into brickwork, worse, preexisting brickwork. How do you tie a
    > block wall into a two-brick
    > pier? I see these galvanised mesh ties exist but surely they're only
    > good for new work. Is it practical to rake out old mortar and shove
    > one end of a mesh tie into prexisting
    > brickwork?
    >
    > I'm thinking there may be something I can screw into the existing
    > pier, then cement into the block work, but the only things I've seen
    > look like cavity wall ties.
    >
    > Any ideas?
    >


    try "ferfix", not sure about the spelling, I've used it twice so far and
    it works a treat
    in2minds, Sep 27, 2005
    #5
  6. Andy

    Andy Guest

    "Paul Andrews" <> wrote in message
    news:r43_e.38$...
    > "Andy" <> wrote in message
    > news:4338834b@212.67.96.135...
    >>
    >> "Lobster" <> wrote in message
    >> news:nx_Ze.21949$...
    >> > Andy wrote:
    >> >

    > snip
    >
    >> >> I'm thinking there may be something I can screw into the existing
    >> >> pier,
    >> >> then cement into the block work, but the only things I've seen look

    > like
    >> >> cavity wall ties.
    >> >
    >> > You need these babies: http://tinyurl.com/8zag2 (or
    >> >

    > <http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101892&ts=73501&id=31633>)
    >> >
    >> > David

    >>
    >> Really? They don't look very heavy-duty. I thought that with a wall and

    > all,
    >> something chunkier might be in order. Still, I expect I'll have to use
    >> one
    >> per course so that give me five ties at the interface at least.

    >
    > snip
    >
    >> Andy.

    >
    > This might be a bit more suitable:
    > http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101892&ts=91448&id=41311
    > though I've not ordered one myself.
    >
    > I know you can get similar items from Wickes (cost £19.99 - designed to
    > tie
    > brick walls together) which would allow
    > you to tie a wall section between a pair of piers (the Wickes pack
    > includes
    > two sections of fixing). So depending on how many piers you have it's
    > going
    > to be expensive. Presumably if your neighbour is objecting to wood, I
    > suppose they're paying half?
    >
    > Personally I'd think that bare blocks between brick piers would look far
    > uglier than wood.
    >
    > Paul


    The blocks will not be left bare, they will be rendered, and either
    pebbledashed or
    roughcast, then probably painted white. The top will have slate coping
    stones or will be
    rounded over. The existing boundary walls are pebbledashed
    so I am taking my cue from them. I too cannot stand bare blockwork.

    In a perfect world I would put a wooden fence up, but there have been some
    cross flooding
    issues between my drive and my neighbour's, during torrential downpours. It
    only happens once
    in a blue moon, and I've taken what steps I can to alleviate the flooding,
    but in the worst case
    the sewers will overload and backfeed my gully, which then fountains water
    and more
    undesireable stuff into my drive. Essentially, I have no escape route for
    the water then and it
    crosses over to my neighbour's drive ( his gully would be fountaining shit
    'n stuff too, but he
    seems to think that having to cope with a bit of overspill from mine is
    beneath his dignity ).
    Hence the desire for a wall. Also he is an old git who goes for
    low-maintenance every time,
    so his house is festooned with upvc and pebbledash, so he doesn't like
    timber, 'cause he
    might have to paint it every five years!

    I am stoical enough to take all this on the chin and build a wall. If I
    don't, he might, and I can
    guarantee he'll build an ugly block wall, and I'll get the non-fair face.

    Anyway, thanks for the suggestions and links everyone, I quite like the
    plates that bolt to
    an existing wall, then you clip tabs to the plates as needed. I shall
    investigate all options,

    Andy.
    Andy, Sep 27, 2005
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