temperature of hot water

Discussion in 'UK DIY' started by Jackie, May 14, 2004.

  1. Jackie

    Jackie Guest

    Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the temperature
    of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at a workplace. I am
    used to my 60 degrees C or thereabouts at home and have just started a new
    job. Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the tap
    as was scalded as the water is about boiling point. Luckily no permanent
    damage apears to be done (quick relexes). When I mentioned it to the manager
    he said I should have been more careful. As I have just started I don't want
    to rock the boat but any advice or websites would be helpful.

    Thanks Jackie
     
    Jackie, May 14, 2004
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  2. Jackie wrote:

    >Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the temperature
    >of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at a workplace. I am
    >used to my 60 degrees C or thereabouts at home and have just started a new
    >job. Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the tap
    >as was scalded as the water is about boiling point. Luckily no permanent
    >damage apears to be done (quick relexes). When I mentioned it to the manager
    >he said I should have been more careful. As I have just started I don't want
    >to rock the boat but any advice or websites would be helpful.
    >
    >Thanks Jackie
    >
    >
    >
    >

    My office has *very* hot water in the ablebodied washrooms plus signs
    warning that the water is hot for hygiene reasons. The disabled
    facilities have blending valves limiting the temperature to something
    considerably cooler than the other washrooms. I don't think that your
    manager can avoid his responsibilities by the means you state.

    Rgds Richard
     
    Richard Savage, May 14, 2004
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  3. On Fri, 14 May 2004 18:19:42 +0100, Jackie wrote:

    > Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the
    > temperature of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at
    > a workplace.


    There are regulations in respect of hospitals/ care homes etc where
    the upper limit is 43C, only just hot enough for a bath...

    > Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the
    > tap as was scalded as the water is about boiling point.


    IMHO there ought to be clear and visible warning signs for such hot
    water. But I don't know what the legal and/or H&S side has to say. It
    would be wise move to have such signs even if they aren't a legal
    requirement. A visitor with less responsive reflexes or even nerve
    damage that reduces their sensitivity to heat could easyly sue the
    company...

    --
    Cheers
    Dave. pam is missing e-mail
     
    Dave Liquorice, May 14, 2004
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  4. Jackie

    Andy Dee Guest

    Jackie wrote:
    > Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the temperature
    > of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at a workplace. I am
    > used to my 60 degrees C or thereabouts at home and have just started a new
    > job. Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the tap
    > as was scalded as the water is about boiling point. Luckily no permanent
    > damage apears to be done (quick relexes). When I mentioned it to the manager
    > he said I should have been more careful. As I have just started I don't want
    > to rock the boat but any advice or websites would be helpful.
    >
    > Thanks Jackie
    >
    >

    Record you burns in the Accident book.
    Consult your Union safety rep.

    When the BBC was prosecuted for infecting people with Legionairs
    Disease, a lot of companies over-reacted and increased the temperature
    of stored water so as to kill-off any lurking legionella.

    Andy
     
    Andy Dee, May 15, 2004
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  5. Jackie

    Andy Dee Guest

    Jackie wrote:
    > Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the temperature
    > of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at a workplace. I am
    > used to my 60 degrees C or thereabouts at home and have just started a new
    > job. Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the tap
    > as was scalded as the water is about boiling point. Luckily no permanent
    > damage apears to be done (quick relexes). When I mentioned it to the manager
    > he said I should have been more careful. As I have just started I don't want
    > to rock the boat but any advice or websites would be helpful.
    >
    > Thanks Jackie
    >
    >

    Give the HSE a ring, they are very helpful.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/index.htm
     
    Andy Dee, May 15, 2004
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  6. Jackie

    Aidan Guest

    > > Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the
    > > temperature of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at
    > > a workplace.


    It is recommended that the stored hot water is kept at 60 degC (HSE L8
    document, Control of Legionnaires' Disease in Water Systems), at is
    dischargede at not less than 50degC within 60 seconds of turning on
    the tap, to prevent the proliferation of legionella and other
    nasties.

    This is too hot for hand washing, but there would only be a duty to
    install thermostatic mixing valves at the outlets (i.e., water
    discharged at 43 degC max) in a facility used by 'at risk' persons,
    the old, very young or disabled. Most places put up 'Very Hot Water'
    signs.

    If it is more than 60 degC, then they're wasting their money in
    making it too hot.
     
    Aidan, May 15, 2004
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  7. Jackie

    I'mMadMe Guest


    >Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the tap
    >as was scalded as the water is about boiling point. Luckily no permanent
    >damage apears to be done (quick relexes). When I mentioned it to the manager
    >he said I should have been more careful.


    He sounds like a useless prat.

    I suggest drugging his coffee, then, when he's soundly asleep, dragging
    him into the women's restroom, and insert a hose down his trousers.
    Connect the hose to the hot tap and arrange matters so that the next
    person through the door will turn the hot tap on. This would work well
    with leverarm taps, but you can improvise.

    Later on, ask him what his opinion about hot water is.

    --
    IMM (the real one)
     
    I'mMadMe, May 15, 2004
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  8. Jackie

    Pete C Guest

    On Fri, 14 May 2004 18:19:42 +0100, "Jackie"
    <> wrote:

    >Hi does anyone know if there is a legal requirement to limit the temperature
    >of the hot water coming out of the taps in the toilet at a workplace. I am
    >used to my 60 degrees C or thereabouts at home and have just started a new
    >job. Turned the hot tap on and without thinking put my hands under the tap
    >as was scalded as the water is about boiling point. Luckily no permanent
    >damage apears to be done (quick relexes). When I mentioned it to the manager
    >he said I should have been more careful. As I have just started I don't want
    >to rock the boat but any advice or websites would be helpful.

    Hi,

    Your employer should install a thermostatic valve (TMV) in the hot
    supply to the washbasins to limit the temperature, I doubt that
    shopping centres and hotels try to scald their customers.

    The other option is to install an undersink hot water heater run from
    the cold supply that can be set to the right temperature.

    If it's not a small company there should be someone responsible for
    facilities management who would get something done about it.

    cheers,
    Pete.
     
    Pete C, May 16, 2004
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  9. Jackie

    Dave Plowman Guest

    In article <c84ksj$dcc$1$>,
    Andy Dee <> wrote:
    > When the BBC was prosecuted for infecting people with Legionairs
    > Disease, a lot of companies over-reacted and increased the temperature
    > of stored water so as to kill-off any lurking legionella.


    Strange, given that IIRC the Legionairs came from the air con system.

    --
    *Taxation WITH representation ain't much fun, either.

    Dave Plowman London SW 12
    RIP Acorn
     
    Dave Plowman, May 16, 2004
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