SPP-1 Hard Start Question.

Discussion in 'HVAC' started by TURTLE, Jun 29, 2005.

  1. TURTLE

    TURTLE Guest

    This is Turtle.

    I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out and
    i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash of
    fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.

    Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    compressor starts ?

    TURTLE
     
    TURTLE, Jun 29, 2005
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  2. TURTLE

    cowboy Guest

    >> TURTLE
    >
    > Call a trained tech. He'll be able to answer your questions.
    > I'm glad to see you're out re-doing the shit you should have done right
    > the first time.
    > Mmmmmmmmm yummy. All that warranty work must pay lots better than the
    > hack rates you normally charge eh?


    actually Turtle seems like one of the few in here that actually knows what
    he is doing.

    I have been here a week, and I am not convinced that most of these so-called
    "professionals" have hardly a clue more than the typical homeowner!

    it is very scary for the homeowners the amount of mis-information I have
    read here in a single week, if this group is indicative of the hvac field as
    a whole, and I believe it likely is, this country is in trouble!

    it is a good thing for most hvac techs that I am not in charge of licensing,
    because most of you would have a lot of schooling to go and get, starting
    with basic thermodynamics, so we could get rid of so many of these myths I
    keep reading in here!

    rednecks who dropped out of high school apparently should not be touching
    complex climate control systems, I think Dateline needs to do an expose on
    incompetence in the hvac trade

    for example, some idiot just told me 5 minutes ago in here that a condenser
    in the shade would not be more economical to run than one in the sun, and
    that is an example of what I have just read in the last 5 minutes!!

    unbelievable
     
    cowboy, Jun 29, 2005
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  3. TURTLE

    cowboy Guest

    >> TURTLE
    >
    > Call a trained tech. He'll be able to answer your questions.
    > I'm glad to see you're out re-doing the shit you should have done right
    > the first time.
    > Mmmmmmmmm yummy. All that warranty work must pay lots better than the
    > hack rates you normally charge eh?


    actually Turtle seems like one of the few in here that actually knows what
    he is doing.

    I have been here a week, and I am not convinced that most of these so-called
    "professionals" have hardly a clue more than the typical homeowner!

    it is very scary for the homeowners the amount of mis-information I have
    read here in a single week, if this group is indicative of the hvac field as
    a whole, and I believe it likely is, this country is in trouble!

    it is a good thing for most hvac techs that I am not in charge of licensing,
    because most of you would have a lot of schooling to go and get, starting
    with basic thermodynamics, so we could get rid of so many of these myths I
    keep reading in here!

    rednecks who dropped out of high school apparently should not be touching
    complex climate control systems, I think Dateline needs to do an expose on
    incompetence in the hvac trade

    for example, some idiot just told me 5 minutes ago in here that a condenser
    in the shade would not be more economical to run than one in the sun, and
    that is an example of what I have just read in the last 5 minutes!!

    unbelievable
     
    cowboy, Jun 29, 2005
    #3
  4. TURTLE

    geoman Guest

    "Bill" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <>,
    > "cowboy" <> wrote:
    >
    >> >> TURTLE
    >> >
    >> > Call a trained tech. He'll be able to answer your questions.
    >> > I'm glad to see you're out re-doing the shit you should have done right
    >> > the first time.
    >> > Mmmmmmmmm yummy. All that warranty work must pay lots better than the
    >> > hack rates you normally charge eh?

    >>
    >> actually Turtle seems like one of the few in here that actually knows
    >> what
    >> he is doing.
    >>
    >> I have been here a week, and I am not convinced that most of these
    >> so-called
    >> "professionals" have hardly a clue more than the typical homeowner!
    >>
    >> it is very scary for the homeowners the amount of mis-information I have
    >> read here in a single week, if this group is indicative of the hvac field
    >> as
    >> a whole, and I believe it likely is, this country is in trouble!
    >>
    >> it is a good thing for most hvac techs that I am not in charge of
    >> licensing,
    >> because most of you would have a lot of schooling to go and get, starting
    >> with basic thermodynamics, so we could get rid of so many of these myths
    >> I
    >> keep reading in here!
    >>
    >> rednecks who dropped out of high school apparently should not be touching
    >> complex climate control systems, I think Dateline needs to do an expose
    >> on
    >> incompetence in the hvac trade
    >>
    >> for example, some idiot just told me 5 minutes ago in here that a
    >> condenser
    >> in the shade would not be more economical to run than one in the sun, and
    >> that is an example of what I have just read in the last 5 minutes!!
    >>
    >> unbelievable

    >
    > You posted this twice now. Alzheimer's? You that threatened or stupid
    > that you can't or won't answer the questions people have put to you?
    > Or are you simply here to get your ego off?
    >
    > I called you on using OLD ASHRAE books for loads. The man who wrote it
    > will tell you to stop it.
    > How about you pull the stick out of your eye and ass?
    >
    > Shade on a condensing unit and solar load on a building confusing you?
    >
    > Shading a condenser isn't usually done or practical. You can argue baby
    > shit all you like and scream you're an HVAC god.
    > So far I'm underwhelmed.
    >
    > Explain part load so even dimwits like kevin can understand it. You do
    > know what part load is?


    Personally, I think its someone like Mike having a good time getting
    everyone worked up or one who is an egocentric.

    I view most attack material that degrades another personally from someone
    who is an egocentric,using the newsgroup to build their own self image up to
    societies level because in their own mind they don't think of themselves as
    being equal to the majority.


    Rich
     
    geoman, Jun 29, 2005
    #4
  5. TURTLE

    geoman Guest

    "Bill" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <>,
    > "cowboy" <> wrote:
    >
    >> >> TURTLE
    >> >
    >> > Call a trained tech. He'll be able to answer your questions.
    >> > I'm glad to see you're out re-doing the shit you should have done right
    >> > the first time.
    >> > Mmmmmmmmm yummy. All that warranty work must pay lots better than the
    >> > hack rates you normally charge eh?

    >>
    >> actually Turtle seems like one of the few in here that actually knows
    >> what
    >> he is doing.
    >>
    >> I have been here a week, and I am not convinced that most of these
    >> so-called
    >> "professionals" have hardly a clue more than the typical homeowner!
    >>
    >> it is very scary for the homeowners the amount of mis-information I have
    >> read here in a single week, if this group is indicative of the hvac field
    >> as
    >> a whole, and I believe it likely is, this country is in trouble!
    >>
    >> it is a good thing for most hvac techs that I am not in charge of
    >> licensing,
    >> because most of you would have a lot of schooling to go and get, starting
    >> with basic thermodynamics, so we could get rid of so many of these myths
    >> I
    >> keep reading in here!
    >>
    >> rednecks who dropped out of high school apparently should not be touching
    >> complex climate control systems, I think Dateline needs to do an expose
    >> on
    >> incompetence in the hvac trade
    >>
    >> for example, some idiot just told me 5 minutes ago in here that a
    >> condenser
    >> in the shade would not be more economical to run than one in the sun, and
    >> that is an example of what I have just read in the last 5 minutes!!
    >>
    >> unbelievable

    >
    > You posted this twice now. Alzheimer's? You that threatened or stupid
    > that you can't or won't answer the questions people have put to you?
    > Or are you simply here to get your ego off?
    >
    > I called you on using OLD ASHRAE books for loads. The man who wrote it
    > will tell you to stop it.
    > How about you pull the stick out of your eye and ass?
    >
    > Shade on a condensing unit and solar load on a building confusing you?
    >
    > Shading a condenser isn't usually done or practical. You can argue baby
    > shit all you like and scream you're an HVAC god.
    > So far I'm underwhelmed.
    >
    > Explain part load so even dimwits like kevin can understand it. You do
    > know what part load is?


    Personally, I think its someone like Mike having a good time getting
    everyone worked up or one who is an egocentric.

    I view most attack material that degrades another personally from someone
    who is an egocentric,using the newsgroup to build their own self image up to
    societies level because in their own mind they don't think of themselves as
    being equal to the majority.


    Rich
     
    geoman, Jun 29, 2005
    #5
  6. TURTLE

    Stretch Guest

    Turtle,

    No it should not have flashes in it. You either installed it wrong or
    got a bad part. Replace it anyway, because it is bad now. It should
    be installed across the run capacitor terminals.

    Stretch
     
    Stretch, Jun 29, 2005
    #6
  7. TURTLE

    Stretch Guest

    Turtle,

    No it should not have flashes in it. You either installed it wrong or
    got a bad part. Replace it anyway, because it is bad now. It should
    be installed across the run capacitor terminals.

    Stretch
     
    Stretch, Jun 29, 2005
    #7
  8. TURTLE

    Guest

    On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    <> wrote:

    >This is Turtle.
    >
    >I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out and
    >i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    >was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash of
    >fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >
    >Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    >compressor starts ?
    >
    >TURTLE
    >

    take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    in there...
     
    , Jun 29, 2005
    #8
  9. TURTLE

    Guest

    On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    <> wrote:

    >This is Turtle.
    >
    >I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out and
    >i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    >was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash of
    >fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >
    >Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    >compressor starts ?
    >
    >TURTLE
    >

    take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    in there...
     
    , Jun 29, 2005
    #9
  10. TURTLE

    geoman Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>This is Turtle.
    >>
    >>I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change
    >>out and
    >>i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite
    >>and
    >>was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a
    >>flash of
    >>fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >>
    >>Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when
    >>the
    >>compressor starts ?
    >>
    >>TURTLE
    >>

    > take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    > they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    > in there...


    I think there is still a contact inside that particular one. If there is a
    contact then yes, you could see a flash when the contacts break. The plastic
    I assume like other plastics don't block 100% of light transmission.

    BTW, Turtle didn't say that the unit wasn't running did he? I believe he
    said when he 'cranked it up' he saw a flash inside. This to me sounds ok IF
    there is a contact located inside SP. Even potential relays have contacts
    that flash when they break open, much like a contactor. If it was dark
    outside I wouldn't worry about it personally, that is, if there is a contact
    and no 100% electronic.

    If you tear it apart Turtle let us know if there is a contact
    inside............

    Rich
     
    geoman, Jun 29, 2005
    #10
  11. TURTLE

    geoman Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>This is Turtle.
    >>
    >>I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change
    >>out and
    >>i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite
    >>and
    >>was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a
    >>flash of
    >>fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >>
    >>Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when
    >>the
    >>compressor starts ?
    >>
    >>TURTLE
    >>

    > take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    > they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    > in there...


    I think there is still a contact inside that particular one. If there is a
    contact then yes, you could see a flash when the contacts break. The plastic
    I assume like other plastics don't block 100% of light transmission.

    BTW, Turtle didn't say that the unit wasn't running did he? I believe he
    said when he 'cranked it up' he saw a flash inside. This to me sounds ok IF
    there is a contact located inside SP. Even potential relays have contacts
    that flash when they break open, much like a contactor. If it was dark
    outside I wouldn't worry about it personally, that is, if there is a contact
    and no 100% electronic.

    If you tear it apart Turtle let us know if there is a contact
    inside............

    Rich
     
    geoman, Jun 29, 2005
    #11
  12. TURTLE

    B-Hate-Me Guest

    "cowboy" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I have been here a week, and I am not convinced that most of these
    > so-called
    > "professionals" have hardly a clue more than the typical homeowner!


    Gee!.....A WHOLE week ?
     
    B-Hate-Me, Jun 29, 2005
    #12
  13. TURTLE

    B-Hate-Me Guest

    "cowboy" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I have been here a week, and I am not convinced that most of these
    > so-called
    > "professionals" have hardly a clue more than the typical homeowner!


    Gee!.....A WHOLE week ?
     
    B-Hate-Me, Jun 29, 2005
    #13
  14. TURTLE

    TURTLE Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>This is Turtle.
    >>
    >>I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out
    >>and
    >>i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    >>was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash of
    >>fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >>
    >>Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    >>compressor starts ?
    >>
    >>TURTLE
    >>

    > take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    > they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    > in there...


    This is Turtle.

    I have taken some of those ice box cheap-0 start kits apart and they were
    nothing but a metal plate and some carbon plates. I guess it has a metal plate
    in there but is this thing suppose to spark inside at nite when you can see it ?
    I just can't see that much sparking going on in there and it last very long.

    TURTLE
     
    TURTLE, Jun 29, 2005
    #14
  15. TURTLE

    TURTLE Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>This is Turtle.
    >>
    >>I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out
    >>and
    >>i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    >>was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash of
    >>fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >>
    >>Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    >>compressor starts ?
    >>
    >>TURTLE
    >>

    > take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    > they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    > in there...


    This is Turtle.

    I have taken some of those ice box cheap-0 start kits apart and they were
    nothing but a metal plate and some carbon plates. I guess it has a metal plate
    in there but is this thing suppose to spark inside at nite when you can see it ?
    I just can't see that much sparking going on in there and it last very long.

    TURTLE
     
    TURTLE, Jun 29, 2005
    #15
  16. TURTLE

    TURTLE Guest

    "geoman" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>This is Turtle.
    >>>
    >>>I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out
    >>>and
    >>>i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    >>>was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash
    >>>of
    >>>fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >>>
    >>>Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    >>>compressor starts ?
    >>>
    >>>TURTLE
    >>>

    >> take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    >> they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    >> in there...

    >
    > I think there is still a contact inside that particular one. If there is a
    > contact then yes, you could see a flash when the contacts break. The plastic I
    > assume like other plastics don't block 100% of light transmission.
    >
    > BTW, Turtle didn't say that the unit wasn't running did he? I believe he said
    > when he 'cranked it up' he saw a flash inside. This to me sounds ok IF there
    > is a contact located inside SP. Even potential relays have contacts that
    > flash when they break open, much like a contactor. If it was dark outside I
    > wouldn't worry about it personally, that is, if there is a contact and no 100%
    > electronic.
    >
    > If you tear it apart Turtle let us know if there is a contact
    > inside............
    >
    > Rich
    >


    This is Turtle.

    The Compressor will crank fine and run fine. It only has a spark of light inside
    the SPP-1 plastic hardstart kit when in the dark and when you turn the light on.
    you can't see the flash.

    Yea, i'm go'na have to take one apart to see. hey i got me a new Kodak digital
    camera with 5 pricks , Easyshare CX-7530 to take pictures with. Now i have to
    figure out how to take pictures with it and put them on the internet. if I cut
    one apart i will try to post the pictures.

    TURTLE
     
    TURTLE, Jun 29, 2005
    #16
  17. TURTLE

    TURTLE Guest

    "geoman" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:11:21 -0500, "TURTLE"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>This is Turtle.
    >>>
    >>>I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor change out
    >>>and
    >>>i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a goodman condenser tonite and
    >>>was cranking it up. i turn o the juice to it in the dark and i seen a flash
    >>>of
    >>>fire inside the Yellow SPP-1 hard start disc type.
    >>>
    >>>Is this thing suppose to have a flash of light or fire inside it , when the
    >>>compressor starts ?
    >>>
    >>>TURTLE
    >>>

    >> take one apart someday Turtle, you'll see how cheaply
    >> they're made. Now if a little bit of moisture or dirt gets
    >> in there...

    >
    > I think there is still a contact inside that particular one. If there is a
    > contact then yes, you could see a flash when the contacts break. The plastic I
    > assume like other plastics don't block 100% of light transmission.
    >
    > BTW, Turtle didn't say that the unit wasn't running did he? I believe he said
    > when he 'cranked it up' he saw a flash inside. This to me sounds ok IF there
    > is a contact located inside SP. Even potential relays have contacts that
    > flash when they break open, much like a contactor. If it was dark outside I
    > wouldn't worry about it personally, that is, if there is a contact and no 100%
    > electronic.
    >
    > If you tear it apart Turtle let us know if there is a contact
    > inside............
    >
    > Rich
    >


    This is Turtle.

    The Compressor will crank fine and run fine. It only has a spark of light inside
    the SPP-1 plastic hardstart kit when in the dark and when you turn the light on.
    you can't see the flash.

    Yea, i'm go'na have to take one apart to see. hey i got me a new Kodak digital
    camera with 5 pricks , Easyshare CX-7530 to take pictures with. Now i have to
    figure out how to take pictures with it and put them on the internet. if I cut
    one apart i will try to post the pictures.

    TURTLE
     
    TURTLE, Jun 29, 2005
    #17
  18. TURTLE

    B-Hate-Me Guest

    "TURTLE" <> wrote in message
    news:ZHywe.4145$...
    > Yea, i'm go'na have to take one apart to see. hey i got me a new Kodak
    > digital camera with 5 pricks , Easyshare CX-7530 to take pictures with.
    > Now i have to figure out how to take pictures with it and put them on the
    > internet. if I cut one apart i will try to post the pictures.


    If you cut your camera apart then you won't be able to take any more
    "pricks".
     
    B-Hate-Me, Jun 29, 2005
    #18
  19. TURTLE

    B-Hate-Me Guest

    "TURTLE" <> wrote in message
    news:ZHywe.4145$...
    > Yea, i'm go'na have to take one apart to see. hey i got me a new Kodak
    > digital camera with 5 pricks , Easyshare CX-7530 to take pictures with.
    > Now i have to figure out how to take pictures with it and put them on the
    > internet. if I cut one apart i will try to post the pictures.


    If you cut your camera apart then you won't be able to take any more
    "pricks".
     
    B-Hate-Me, Jun 29, 2005
    #19
  20. TURTLE

    Bob Loblaw Guest

    "TURTLE" <> wrote in


    > I was changing a goodman 13 seer 10 year warranty on a compressor
    > change out and i put a new hard start disc type hard start on a
    > goodman condenser tonite and was cranking it up.


    Why are you putting a hardstart kit on a new compressor?
    It shouldn't need one.

    Which brings to mind a question I've had for a while...
    When changing a capacitor, it is recommended you not install one with more
    than a 10 percent variance from the original.
    So why is it OK to install a hard start kit, which as I understand it, is
    an additional capacitor??

    Respectfully, Bob
     
    Bob Loblaw, Jun 29, 2005
    #20
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