Re: Part P exam questions on line

Discussion in 'UK DIY' started by John Rumm, Jul 12, 2007.

  1. John Rumm

    John Rumm Guest

    ARWadsworth wrote:
    > Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some
    > people out there who will enjoy them.
    >
    > http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
    > http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
    > http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
    > http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
    >
    > taken from
    >
    > http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm


    I take it these are "open book" tests?

    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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    John Rumm, Jul 12, 2007
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  2. John Rumm wrote:
    > ARWadsworth wrote:
    >> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some
    >> people out there who will enjoy them.
    >>
    >> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
    >> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
    >> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
    >> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
    >>
    >> taken from
    >>
    >> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm

    >
    > I take it these are "open book" tests?
    >


    They are rote learning tests.

    I saw no evidence of any fundamental understanding of electricity or
    safety issues pertaining to it in any of the questions I tried.

    I mean, does it help knowing the BS**%^&"£=78 is the standard applied to
    Caravan parks, and not public urinals??


    Ye gods.
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 13, 2007
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  3. The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared:

    > John Rumm wrote:
    >> ARWadsworth wrote:
    >>> Sorry if they have been posted before but I am sure there are some
    >>> people out there who will enjoy them.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-2.htm
    >>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-3.htm
    >>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-4.htm
    >>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/2381-Sample-Paper-5.htm
    >>>
    >>> taken from
    >>>
    >>> http://www.part-p.org.uk/exams/index.htm

    >>
    >> I take it these are "open book" tests?
    >>

    >
    > They are rote learning tests.
    > I saw no evidence of any fundamental understanding of electricity or
    > safety issues pertaining to it in any of the questions I tried.
    >
    > I mean, does it help knowing the BS**%^&"£=78 is the standard applied to
    > Caravan parks, and not public urinals??
    >
    >
    > Ye gods.


    Reminded me of my PAT tester's C&G - open book and 30% random terminology.
    Tim Southerwood, Jul 13, 2007
    #3
  4. dennis@home wrote:


    > Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.


    So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?

    Cheers

    Tim
    Tim Southerwood, Jul 13, 2007
    #4
  5. Tim Southerwood wrote:
    > dennis@home wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.

    >
    > So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
    >


    I managed about 73% just by guessing..
    > Cheers
    >
    > Tim
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 13, 2007
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  6. The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    > Tim Southerwood wrote:
    >> dennis@home wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.

    >>
    >> So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
    >>

    >
    > I managed about 73% just by guessing..


    Exactly my score too, without reference to anything. Which is worrying if
    that were a pass. Don't know about you, but I'm happy enough with domestic
    electrics in my own house. But there is no way I should be let loose on a
    farm or in a factory.

    I don't think the sample paper I tried covered nearly enough material and a
    1 of 4 answer system encourages educated guesswork. I have a passing
    familiarity with the 16th Edition, but at no time have I ever made a
    concerted effort to read the whole book, let alone wot for an exam.

    Cheers

    Tim
    Tim Southerwood, Jul 13, 2007
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  7. John Rumm

    Huge Guest

    On 2007-07-13, Tim Southerwood <> wrote:

    > But there is no way I should be let loose on a
    > farm or in a factory.


    I wouldn't worry about farms. IME, farmers pay no more attention to
    the wiring regs than they do to any other laws, IOW none.


    --
    "If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker." ~ Albert Einstein
    [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
    Huge, Jul 13, 2007
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  8. Tim Southerwood wrote:
    > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    >
    >> Tim Southerwood wrote:
    >>> dennis@home wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.
    >>> So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
    >>>

    >> I managed about 73% just by guessing..

    >
    > Exactly my score too, without reference to anything. Which is worrying if
    > that were a pass. Don't know about you, but I'm happy enough with domestic
    > electrics in my own house. But there is no way I should be let loose on a
    > farm or in a factory.
    >
    > I don't think the sample paper I tried covered nearly enough material and a
    > 1 of 4 answer system encourages educated guesswork. I have a passing
    > familiarity with the 16th Edition, but at no time have I ever made a
    > concerted effort to read the whole book, let alone wot for an exam.
    >


    Indeed. My impression was that the examination was a question of reading
    and memorising the regulations. Understanding them was not actually
    required.

    > Cheers
    >
    > Tim
    >
    >
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 13, 2007
    #8
  9. Huge wrote:

    > On 2007-07-13, Tim Southerwood <> wrote:
    >
    >> But there is no way I should be let loose on a
    >> farm or in a factory.

    >
    > I wouldn't worry about farms. IME, farmers pay no more attention to
    > the wiring regs than they do to any other laws, IOW none.
    >
    >


    LoL :)

    Doesn't seem to stop the Department for the Eradication of Farming and Rural
    Affairs from trying though.
    Tim Southerwood, Jul 13, 2007
    #9
  10. John Rumm

    tony sayer Guest

    In article <f77mkl$4td$>, Huge
    <> writes
    >On 2007-07-13, Tim Southerwood <> wrote:
    >
    >> But there is no way I should be let loose on a
    >> farm or in a factory.

    >
    >I wouldn't worry about farms. IME, farmers pay no more attention to
    >the wiring regs than they do to any other laws, IOW none.
    >
    >


    Ever read the farmers " 'ealth and safety" manual?..

    "101 things you can repair or bodge up at harvest time with a length of
    baling twine"

    --
    Tony Sayer
    tony sayer, Jul 13, 2007
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  11. The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    > Tim Southerwood wrote:
    >> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    >>
    >>> Tim Southerwood wrote:
    >>>> dennis@home wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.
    >>>> So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
    >>>>
    >>> I managed about 73% just by guessing..

    >>
    >> Exactly my score too, without reference to anything. Which is worrying if
    >> that were a pass. Don't know about you, but I'm happy enough with
    >> domestic electrics in my own house. But there is no way I should be let
    >> loose on a farm or in a factory.
    >>
    >> I don't think the sample paper I tried covered nearly enough material and
    >> a 1 of 4 answer system encourages educated guesswork. I have a passing
    >> familiarity with the 16th Edition, but at no time have I ever made a
    >> concerted effort to read the whole book, let alone wot for an exam.
    >>

    >
    > Indeed. My impression was that the examination was a question of reading
    > and memorising the regulations. Understanding them was not actually
    > required.
    >


    I was more impressed by the 2391 exam, not that I got beyond reading the
    first page. At least it started with some open answers, which are a lot
    more difficult if you haven't a clue. Which I hadn't so I gave up, which is
    how it should be.

    'course, doesn't lend itself to "cost efficient" automatic grading... Funny
    how saving money these days always seems to cost more in intangible ways
    down the line...

    The 2381 was very similar to my PAT exam (2377-002) which was totally multi
    guess AND open book. Got one wrong (which pissed me off because I cannot
    for the life of me work out which one).

    The course was worth it though (IET in London) as the combination of the two
    old boys, one former sparks and the other an Engineer did make the course
    very informative. Mind you, even there, the "practical exam" was a bit half
    arsed. The sparks was a very practical sort of bloke with a wealth of
    useful tips (reminded me of Fred Dibnah) and the Engineer filled in with
    some excellent explanations of why things were written the way they were.

    Tim
    Tim Southerwood, Jul 13, 2007
    #11
  12. In article <>,
    The Natural Philosopher <> writes:
    >
    > I managed about 73% just by guessing..


    When I did my C&G 16th edition, there were several practicing
    electricians on the course who would have got better scores
    than they did just by picking answers at random.
    Quite frightening really.

    --
    Andrew Gabriel
    [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
    Andrew Gabriel, Jul 13, 2007
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  13. John Rumm

    Ed Sirett Guest

    On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:31:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    > Tim Southerwood wrote:
    >> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    >>
    >>> Tim Southerwood wrote:
    >>>> dennis@home wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Don't fret.. I passed and I don't know *anything* about part P regs.
    >>>> So, can you recall what the pass mark is? 70%?
    >>>>
    >>> I managed about 73% just by guessing..

    >>
    >> Exactly my score too, without reference to anything. Which is worrying if
    >> that were a pass. Don't know about you, but I'm happy enough with domestic
    >> electrics in my own house. But there is no way I should be let loose on a
    >> farm or in a factory.
    >>
    >> I don't think the sample paper I tried covered nearly enough material and a
    >> 1 of 4 answer system encourages educated guesswork. I have a passing
    >> familiarity with the 16th Edition, but at no time have I ever made a
    >> concerted effort to read the whole book, let alone wot for an exam.
    >>

    >
    > Indeed. My impression was that the examination was a question of reading
    > and memorising the regulations. Understanding them was not actually
    > required.
    >


    Given that some of these questions involve choosing precise data values
    from tables these assessments are open book.
    Therefore reading (and a broad familiarity of the regs) are the only
    skills required. Understanding the regs will greatly hinder your
    performance.


    --
    Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
    The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
    Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
    Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html
    Choosing a Boiler FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/BoilerChoice.html
    Gas Fitting Standards Docs here: http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFittingStandards
    Ed Sirett, Jul 13, 2007
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  14. John Rumm

    Owain Guest

    Andrew Gabriel wrote:
    > When I did my C&G 16th edition, there were several practicing
    > electricians on the course who would have got better scores
    > than they did just by picking answers at random.
    > Quite frightening really.


    One place I was working, I had to show the electricians how to wire up a
    doorbell.

    Owain
    Owain, Jul 13, 2007
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