Pa. man nabbed in toilet theft scheme

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  1. Guest

    http://tinyurl.com/cuxcvaq

    WINDBER, Pa. (AP) — Police say a western Pennsylvania man's toilet theft
    scam didn't end with a clean getaway.

    Thirty-two-year-old Bobby Clifford Smith III faces theft and related
    charges for allegedly exchanging a toilet he didn't buy for gift cards
    at a Somerset County home improvement store.

    State police say Smith, of Windber, entered the store on Aug. 28,
    grabbed a toilet from a shelf and immediately went to the return line to
    exchange it for more than $600 in gift cards.

    Investigators say surveillance footage from the store captured the
    entire episode.

    The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat (http://bit.ly/TlB18o ) reports Smith was
    arraigned Tuesday and held on $30,000 bail. Court records don't list an
    attorney for him.

    ___
    , Sep 10, 2012
    #1
  2. George Guest

    On 9/10/2012 1:44 AM, wrote:

    >
    > The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat (http://bit.ly/TlB18o ) reports Smith was
    > arraigned Tuesday and held on $30,000 bail. Court records don't list an
    > attorney for him.
    >


    So what part is news or earth shattering? Scammers (usually druggies) do
    this sort of thing all of the time. Its the reason normal people get
    hassled returning stuff.
    George, Sep 10, 2012
    #2
  3. bob haller Guest

    On Sep 10, 9:08 am, George <> wrote:
    > On 9/10/2012 1:44 AM, wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat (http://bit.ly/TlB18o) reports Smith was
    > > arraigned Tuesday and held on $30,000 bail. Court records don't list an
    > > attorney for him.

    >
    > So what part is news or earth shattering? Scammers (usually druggies) do
    > this sort of thing all of the time. Its the reason normal people get
    > hassled returning stuff.


    Home Depot and lowes had a ring of people doing this, cost the borgs
    over a $100,000 bucks.

    The thieves had multiple photo IDs, and got gift cards back which they
    sold on craiglist.

    I had wondered how so many gift cards would be available on
    craiglist..

    This explained it..........
    bob haller, Sep 10, 2012
    #3
  4. Harry Potter Guest

    wrote:

    > State police say Smith, of Windber, entered the store on Aug. 28,
    > grabbed a toilet from a shelf and immediately went to the return
    > line to exchange it for more than $600 in gift cards.


    What toilet costs $600 - at the Despot?


    bob haller wrote:

    > Home Depot and lowes had a ring of people doing this, cost the
    > borgs over a $100,000 bucks.


    In a normal country (ie - some country other than the USA), when you
    return a product, you have to show the original receipt to prove you
    actually bought it in order to get the refund. Unless this guy (or a
    friend?) actually bought one of these same toilets and this guy is using
    that receipt as part of this scam?.

    Very funny - and fitting, that this guy tried to pull this stunt with a
    toilet. An iconic symbol of where you're "headed" as a country.
    Harry Potter, Sep 10, 2012
    #4
  5. DerbyDad03 Guest

    On Sep 10, 9:08 am, George <> wrote:
    > On 9/10/2012 1:44 AM, wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat (http://bit.ly/TlB18o) reports Smith was
    > > arraigned Tuesday and held on $30,000 bail. Court records don't list an
    > > attorney for him.

    >
    > So what part is news or earth shattering? Scammers (usually druggies) do
    > this sort of thing all of the time. Its the reason normal people get
    > hassled returning stuff.


    What do you consider being "hassled"?

    I can't recall the last time I had any problem returning anything,
    especially at a borg, with or without a receipt. The only not-even-a
    hassle thing that happens is that I get asked for my driver's licence
    if I don't have a receipt. No big deal.

    The one and only time I had the most minor of issues is when I
    returned a couple of hundred dollars worth of stuff to HD and then
    later that day found a few more items that I had forgotten to take in.
    Since I was near a different HD, I went in to return them there. The
    system flagged me as a "serial returner" or something like that and I
    simply had to show the other receipts to a manager to get the returns
    approved. Same customer, same day, 2 different stores. I can see that
    being slightly suspicious. Again, no big deal.

    I recently took a pair shoes back to Target after wearing them for a
    month because the sole split. No receipt. The CSR looked up my debit
    card in their system, found the transaction and credited me for the
    shoes. He then called 2 other stores to find out who had a replacement
    pair. Heck, I was more of a hassle to him than he was to me.

    Where/how do you get hassled when returning things?
    DerbyDad03, Sep 10, 2012
    #5
  6. Guest

    On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:13:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <> wrote:

    >On Sep 10, 9:08 am, George <> wrote:
    >> On 9/10/2012 1:44 AM, wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat (http://bit.ly/TlB18o) reports Smith was
    >> > arraigned Tuesday and held on $30,000 bail. Court records don't list an
    >> > attorney for him.

    >>
    >> So what part is news or earth shattering? Scammers (usually druggies) do
    >> this sort of thing all of the time. Its the reason normal people get
    >> hassled returning stuff.

    >
    >What do you consider being "hassled"?
    >
    >I can't recall the last time I had any problem returning anything,
    >especially at a borg, with or without a receipt. The only not-even-a
    >hassle thing that happens is that I get asked for my driver's licence
    >if I don't have a receipt. No big deal.
    >
    >The one and only time I had the most minor of issues is when I
    >returned a couple of hundred dollars worth of stuff to HD and then
    >later that day found a few more items that I had forgotten to take in.
    >Since I was near a different HD, I went in to return them there. The
    >system flagged me as a "serial returner" or something like that and I
    >simply had to show the other receipts to a manager to get the returns
    >approved. Same customer, same day, 2 different stores. I can see that
    >being slightly suspicious. Again, no big deal.
    >
    >I recently took a pair shoes back to Target after wearing them for a
    >month because the sole split. No receipt. The CSR looked up my debit
    >card in their system, found the transaction and credited me for the
    >shoes. He then called 2 other stores to find out who had a replacement
    >pair. Heck, I was more of a hassle to him than he was to me.
    >
    >Where/how do you get hassled when returning things?


    The biggest problem I had with returns in recent years was when I got a
    digital camera valued at around $150 as an xmas gift. The person
    bought it at Walmart a month before xmas. After xmas, I did not try it
    right away, and finally did so around the middle of January. The camera
    took terrible pictures, and had other problems. I *HAD* a receipt, but
    they said it was beyond their return policy time limit. Even after
    telling them that it was a xmas gift, that did not matter. They told me
    to return it to the manufacturer, (which would have meant paying
    shipping and waiting, and still getting a camera that I simply did not
    like).

    I asked for the manager, who said that all they could do is exchange it
    for another identical camera. I explained that the camera not only took
    terrible photos, but had features that I did not like, and that I wanted
    a different brand of camera entirely. They finally said that I could
    get another brand as long as the price was the same or more, and I'd
    have to pay the difference if it was more. I choose a different brand
    which cost about $60 more, paid the difference and was happy with that
    camera.

    From this experience and hassle, I learned to not buy xmas gifts too
    early before xmas, and that they should all be tested immediately after
    purchase or the holiday. However, this has caused Walmart to lose some
    of their "Black Friday" sales from me, if they are intended to be a
    gift, particularly if they are electronics.
    , Sep 11, 2012
    #6
  7. Jon Danniken Guest

    On 09/11/2012 10:03 AM, wrote:
    > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:13:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    >
    >> Where/how do you get hassled when returning things?

    >
    > The biggest problem I had with returns in recent years was when I got a
    > digital camera valued at around $150 as an xmas gift. The person
    > bought it at Walmart a month before xmas. After xmas, I did not try it
    > right away, and finally did so around the middle of January. The camera
    > took terrible pictures, and had other problems. I *HAD* a receipt, but
    > they said it was beyond their return policy time limit. Even after
    > telling them that it was a xmas gift, that did not matter. They told me
    > to return it to the manufacturer, (which would have meant paying
    > shipping and waiting, and still getting a camera that I simply did not
    > like).
    >
    > I asked for the manager, who said that all they could do is exchange it
    > for another identical camera. I explained that the camera not only took
    > terrible photos, but had features that I did not like, and that I wanted
    > a different brand of camera entirely. They finally said that I could
    > get another brand as long as the price was the same or more, and I'd
    > have to pay the difference if it was more. I choose a different brand
    > which cost about $60 more, paid the difference and was happy with that
    > camera.
    >
    > From this experience and hassle, I learned to not buy xmas gifts too
    > early before xmas, and that they should all be tested immediately after
    > purchase or the holiday. However, this has caused Walmart to lose some
    > of their "Black Friday" sales from me, if they are intended to be a
    > gift, particularly if they are electronics.
    >


    That's Wal*Mart; they are the absolute *worst* company when it comes to
    accepting returns. The principle behind the chain is rock bottom
    pricing, with customer service taking a distant back seat.

    Jon
    Jon Danniken, Sep 13, 2012
    #7

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