new flapper still leaks

Discussion in 'Home Repair' started by c_shah, May 21, 2009.

  1. c_shah

    c_shah Guest

    I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    around toilet area)

    At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    try another flapper...
     
    c_shah, May 21, 2009
    #1
    1. Advertising

  2. c_shah

    hr(bob) Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    On May 21, 10:47 am, c_shah <> wrote:
    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...


    The flapper seat must be smooth, just changing the flapper does no
    good if the seat is corroded or has gunk build-up.
     
    hr(bob) , May 21, 2009
    #2
    1. Advertising

  3. c_shah

    Mike rock Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    On May 21, 11:47 am, c_shah <> wrote:
    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...


    If the seat is brass, try smoothing it out with a Brillo pad.
    Otherwise you might have to get an OEM flapper. I've had problems with
    my 20+ year old Eljer toilet in the past with the flapper. Then I
    ordered an OEM Eljer flapper and have no probems since. I ordered from
    these guys,
    http://www.plumbingpartsdepot.com/
    they have all schematics online and very helpful. You might want to
    consider getting an OEM fill valve as well.
     
    Mike rock, May 21, 2009
    #3
  4. c_shah

    Joe Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    On May 21, 10:47 am, c_shah <> wrote:
    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...


    Call Kohler customer service for the right part. Top notch people to
    deal with, reasonable prices, too. It also appears your new fill valve
    isn't working right or it would keep the tank filled if the flapper is
    leaking. Food coloring is commonly used to trace water flow in
    toilets.

    Joe
     
    Joe, May 21, 2009
    #4
  5. c_shah

    Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    On Thu, 21 May 2009 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Mike rock
    <> wrote:

    >On May 21, 11:47 am, c_shah <> wrote:
    >> I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    >> by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    >> hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    >> around toilet area)
    >>
    >> At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    >> try another flapper...

    >
    >If the seat is brass, try smoothing it out with a Brillo pad.
    >Otherwise you might have to get an OEM flapper. I've had problems with
    >my 20+ year old Eljer toilet in the past with the flapper. Then I
    >ordered an OEM Eljer flapper and have no probems since. I ordered from
    >these guys,
    >http://www.plumbingpartsdepot.com/
    > they have all schematics online and very helpful. You might want to
    >consider getting an OEM fill valve as well.


    Funny you mentioned Eljer. I got one of those POS toilets. After 4
    or 5 flappers, including the most costly one sold, and
    cleaning/polishing the flapper seat, I finally gave up. For the past
    5 or 6 years, I just shut it off except when I use it. Eljer toilets
    are GARBAGE !!!!!
     
    , May 21, 2009
    #5
  6. c_shah

    Art Todesco Guest

    c_shah wrote:
    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...

    I know many people will say this is NG,
    but I have done it for many, many
    years without a problem. I put a thin
    layer of petroleum jelly on the rubber.
    I know, petroleum and rubber don't get
    along, however, as I said, the
    rubber never deteriorated from this.
    BTW, I think one of the problems
    with leakage is due to the lower flush
    toilet having less "head pressure" due
    to shorter tanks. With the older
    toilets, higher tanks meant more pressure
    on the flap, leading to a tighter seal.
     
    Art Todesco, May 21, 2009
    #6
  7. c_shah

    Frank Guest

    c_shah wrote:
    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...


    If I read your post correctly, you put one of the new flush controllers
    and a new flapper in your old toilet. I'm guessing the problem is with
    the new controller and thinking that maybe the so called cleaning action
    is pushing the flapper to allow leakage.

    The controller in an old toilet does not seem like a good idea as old
    toilets were designed to use a lot of water. I remember the old days
    when a lot of us were adding bricks to the tank to use less water and
    results were unsatisfactory.

    I'm just a regular old home owner but these are my thoughts.
     
    Frank, May 21, 2009
    #7
  8. c_shah

    ransley Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    On May 21, 10:47 am, c_shah <> wrote:
    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...


    An old toilet could need the drain seat filled smooth
     
    ransley, May 22, 2009
    #8
  9. c_shah

    Guest

    On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:06:49 -0400, Frank
    <> wrote:

    >c_shah wrote:
    >> I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    >> by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    >> hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    >> around toilet area)
    >>
    >> At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    >> try another flapper...

    >
    >If I read your post correctly, you put one of the new flush controllers
    >and a new flapper in your old toilet. I'm guessing the problem is with
    >the new controller and thinking that maybe the so called cleaning action
    >is pushing the flapper to allow leakage.
    >
    >The controller in an old toilet does not seem like a good idea as old
    >toilets were designed to use a lot of water. I remember the old days
    >when a lot of us were adding bricks to the tank to use less water and
    >results were unsatisfactory.
    >
    >I'm just a regular old home owner but these are my thoughts.


    Either you're a woman named Frank, or you're a homosexual. REAL MEN
    dont put bricks in their toilet. REAL MEN want toilets that use LOTS
    of water. The more the better. REAL MEN connect two, three, or more
    tanks to one toilet, and connect the flush handle to each one with
    thick baling wire, heavy chain, and duct tape. That way all these
    tanks will dump into the bowl at the same time. Four 7-gallon tanks
    seem to do a good job, that's 28 gallon per flush. Better yet, a 250
    gallon livestock tank can be modified to replace the standard toilet
    tank. That will flush down even the biggest turd from the BIGGEST
    REAL MAN.

    (Or use two, three, or four of them livestock tanks for the best flush
    in town, and even God will be impressed by your manhood).
     
    , May 22, 2009
    #9
  10. c_shah

    Frank Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    On May 22, 3:44 am, wrote:
    > On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:06:49 -0400, Frank
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > >c_shah wrote:
    > >> I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > >> by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > >> hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > >> around toilet area)

    >
    > >> At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > >> try another flapper...

    >
    > >If I read your post correctly, you put one of the new flush controllers
    > >and a new flapper in your old toilet.  I'm guessing the problem is with
    > >the new controller and thinking that maybe the so called cleaning action
    > >is pushing the flapper to allow leakage.

    >
    > >The controller in an old toilet does not seem like a good idea as old
    > >toilets were designed to use a lot of water.  I remember the old days
    > >when a lot of us were adding bricks to the tank to use less water and
    > >results were unsatisfactory.

    >
    > >I'm just a regular old home owner but these are my thoughts.

    >
    > Either you're a woman named Frank, or you're a homosexual.  REAL MEN
    > dont put bricks in their toilet.  REAL MEN want toilets that use LOTS
    > of water.  The more the better.  REAL MEN connect two, three, or more
    > tanks to one toilet, and connect the flush handle to each one with
    > thick baling wire, heavy chain, and duct tape. That way all these
    > tanks will dump into the bowl at the same time.  Four 7-gallon tanks
    > seem to do a good job, that's 28 gallon per flush.  Better yet, a 250
    > gallon livestock tank can be modified to replace the standard toilet
    > tank.  That will flush down even the biggest turd from the BIGGEST
    > REAL MAN.
    >
    > (Or use two, three, or four of them livestock tanks for the best flush
    > in town, and even God will be impressed by your manhood).- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I would agree but you missed one possibility, I'm on septic and well.
    Water is free and I get all I want. OTOH I can suffer at the septic
    end with wet drain field.
     
    Frank, May 22, 2009
    #10
  11. c_shah

    Erik Guest

    In article
    <>,
    c_shah <> wrote:

    > I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    > by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    > hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    > around toilet area)
    >
    > At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    > try another flapper...


    Could a cracked overflow tube be the problem?

    Erik
     
    Erik, May 23, 2009
    #11
  12. c_shah

    Malcolm Hoar Guest

    In article <>, c_shah <> wrote:
    >I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
    >by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
    >hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
    >around toilet area)
    >
    >At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
    >try another flapper...


    Nine times out of ten the seat where the flapper seals
    simply needs a good cleaning. Tiny fragments from the
    old perished flapper are probably stuck on the seat
    preventing a proper seal.


    --
    |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
    | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
    | Gary Player. |
    | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     
    Malcolm Hoar, May 23, 2009
    #12
  13. c_shah

    c_shah Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    I tried another flapper and it worked.
     
    c_shah, May 24, 2009
    #13
  14. c_shah

    c_shah Guest

    Re: new flapper still leaks

    What I had to to clean the flapper seat throughly and I tried another
    flapper (korky) and it worked.
     
    c_shah, May 24, 2009
    #14
    1. Advertising

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

It takes just 2 minutes to sign up (and it's free!). Just click the sign up button to choose a username and then you can ask your own questions on the forum.
Similar Threads
  1. Replies:
    4
    Views:
    1,082
  2. Scott
    Replies:
    7
    Views:
    940
    I-zheet M'drurz
    Oct 20, 2004
  3. p@
    Replies:
    4
    Views:
    408
  4. CJ
    Replies:
    0
    Views:
    137
  5. Replies:
    4
    Views:
    176
Loading...

Share This Page