Neutralize Muriatic acid

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  1. Oren

    Oren Guest

    > 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >
    > ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >
    > ? ?Dangers?


    Drained Pool (pending)!

    How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?

    I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.

    I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.

    Thanks!!

    Oren
    Oren, Apr 20, 2008
    #1
  2. Oren

    dadiOH Guest

    Oren wrote:
    >> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >>
    >> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >>
    >> ? ?Dangers?

    >
    > Drained Pool (pending)!
    >
    > How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >
    > I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    > (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >
    > I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    > neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >
    > Thanks!!
    >
    > Oren


    Any base. Bicarbonate of soda is cheap and easy. If the mix fizzes and
    doesn't stop you need more bicarb.

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    dadiOH, Apr 21, 2008
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  3. Oren

    Guest

    On Apr 20, 7:35�pm, "dadiOH" <> wrote:
    > Oren wrote:
    > >> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:

    >
    > >> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.

    >
    > >> ? ?Dangers?

    >
    > > Drained Pool �(pending)!

    >
    > > How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?

    >
    > > I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    > > (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.

    >
    > > I would like to toss/pour �something into the puddle that would
    > > neutralize �acid; until I can pump it out.

    >
    > > Thanks!!

    >
    > > Oren

    >
    > Any base. �Bicarbonate of soda is cheap and easy. �If the mix fizzes and
    > doesn't stop you need more bicarb.
    >
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    add water and pump down sewer. sometimes the soultion is dilution.

    a chemical fizzing in your pool might damage it
    , Apr 21, 2008
    #3
  4. Oren

    Erma1ina Guest

    Oren wrote:
    >
    > > 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    > >
    > > ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    > >
    > > ? ?Dangers?

    >
    > Drained Pool (pending)!
    >
    > How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >
    > I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    > (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >
    > I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    > neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >
    > Thanks!!
    >
    > Oren


    Check out

    "How To Acid-Wash a Swimming Pool"

    http://www.ehow.com/how_2005488_acid-wash-pool.html

    or

    "Pool Tip #20: Acid Washing"

    http://www.alisonosinski.com/pooltips/20.htm

    They recommend sodium carbonate (aka soda ash).
    Erma1ina, Apr 21, 2008
    #4
  5. Oren

    David B. Guest

    Don't think you have to be concerned . Some pool owners use muriatic aid to
    lower ph.


    "Oren" <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >>
    >> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >>
    >> ? ?Dangers?

    >
    > Drained Pool (pending)!
    >
    > How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >
    > I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    > (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >
    > I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    > neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >
    > Thanks!!
    >
    > Oren
    David B., Apr 21, 2008
    #5
  6. Oren

    Phisherman Guest

    On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:42:27 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    >> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >>
    >> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >>
    >> ? ?Dangers?

    >
    >Drained Pool (pending)!
    >
    >How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >
    >I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    >(walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >
    >I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    >neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >
    >Thanks!!
    >
    >Oren


    Household ammonia
    Phisherman, Apr 21, 2008
    #6
  7. Oren

    ransley Guest

    On Apr 20, 5:42 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    > > 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:

    >
    > > ? ?How much, for how long, etc.

    >
    > > ? ?Dangers?

    >
    > Drained Pool  (pending)!
    >
    > How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >
    > I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    > (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >
    > I would like to toss/pour  something into the puddle that would
    > neutralize  acid; until I can pump it out.
    >
    > Thanks!!
    >
    > Oren


    Have you ever worked with Muriatic acid, if not beware the fumes will
    seriously damage your lungs, Muriatic is a fuming acid and there is no
    way to avoid it, if you are in the pool likely the fumes will
    concentrate and stay in the pool, A very good respirator is a must but
    even that wont protect you 100%. It might be a job to pay to get done
    and not subject your lungs to. Muriatic also eats galvanising off
    pipes quickly, then they rust fast. I would not let acid sit in a
    pool, but neutralise it or have it drain while being diluted with alot
    of water. If pipes are pvc there is no issue but the drain may not be.
    There is wrong and right way to do the job you need to research it.
    Ive washed with muriatic and it made me sick for days from the fumes.
    ransley, Apr 21, 2008
    #7
  8. Oren

    ransley Guest

    On Apr 20, 5:42 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    > > 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:

    >
    > > ? ?How much, for how long, etc.

    >
    > > ? ?Dangers?

    >
    > Drained Pool  (pending)!
    >
    > How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >
    > I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    > (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >
    > I would like to toss/pour  something into the puddle that would
    > neutralize  acid; until I can pump it out.
    >
    > Thanks!!
    >
    > Oren


    My neighbor had to fill in his pool , he said over years of cleaning
    with acid the drain leaked and the pool would not hold water anymore,
    bleach kills mold, soap might work, research before you clean it.
    ransley, Apr 21, 2008
    #8
  9. Oren

    Oren Guest

    On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:35:07 GMT, "dadiOH" <> wrote:

    >Oren wrote:
    >>> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >>>
    >>> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >>>
    >>> ? ?Dangers?

    >>
    >> Drained Pool (pending)!
    >>
    >> How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >>
    >> I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    >> (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >>
    >> I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    >> neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >>
    >> Thanks!!
    >>
    >> Oren

    >
    >Any base. Bicarbonate of soda is cheap and easy. If the mix fizzes and
    >doesn't stop you need more bicarb.


    Thanks. I'm reading two pounds of soda ash will neutralize one gallon
    of muriatic acid.

    My acid wash will already be diluted (1 part acid to 4-6 parts water).
    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #9
  10. Oren

    Oren Guest

    On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:40:34 -0700 (PDT), ""
    <> wrote:

    >add water and pump down sewer. sometimes the soultion is dilution.
    >


    If I neutralize the acid wash, can't I pump back into the yard? And
    not send it down the sewer.

    >a chemical fizzing in your pool might damage it


    The reason I want to neutralize the mixture... as I work.
    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #10
  11. Oren

    Oren Guest

    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #11
  12. Oren

    Oren Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:42:37 -0400, Phisherman <>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:42:27 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    >
    >>> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >>>
    >>> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >>>
    >>> ? ?Dangers?

    >>
    >>Drained Pool (pending)!
    >>
    >>How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >>
    >>I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    >>(walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >>
    >>I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    >>neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >>
    >>Thanks!!
    >>
    >>Oren

    >
    >Household ammonia


    I haven't read about using ammonia! Got a link?
    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #12
  13. Oren

    Oren Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:12:22 -0700 (PDT), ransley
    <> wrote:

    >On Apr 20, 5:42 pm, Oren <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    >> > 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:

    >>
    >> > ? ?How much, for how long, etc.

    >>
    >> > ? ?Dangers?

    >>
    >> Drained Pool  (pending)!
    >>
    >> How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >>
    >> I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    >> (walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >>
    >> I would like to toss/pour  something into the puddle that would
    >> neutralize  acid; until I can pump it out.
    >>
    >> Thanks!!
    >>
    >> Oren

    >
    >Have you ever worked with Muriatic acid, if not beware the fumes will
    >seriously damage your lungs, Muriatic is a fuming acid and there is no
    >way to avoid it, if you are in the pool likely the fumes will
    >concentrate and stay in the pool, A very good respirator is a must but
    >even that wont protect you 100%. It might be a job to pay to get done
    >and not subject your lungs to. Muriatic also eats galvanising off
    >pipes quickly, then they rust fast. I would not let acid sit in a
    >pool, but neutralise it or have it drain while being diluted with alot
    >of water. If pipes are pvc there is no issue but the drain may not be.
    >There is wrong and right way to do the job you need to research it.
    >Ive washed with muriatic and it made me sick for days from the fumes.


    Tanks for the safety tips.

    This is a shallow, 10,000 gallon pool. PVC pipes and sewer lines.

    I'm being cautious and may hire the job out, but I now know more of
    what to ask a company that would do the wash.

    I'm leaning towards doing the job over a weekend....
    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #13
  14. Oren

    Oren Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:13:29 -0700 (PDT), ransley
    <> wrote:

    >My neighbor had to fill in his pool , he said over years of cleaning
    >with acid the drain leaked and the pool would not hold water anymore,
    >bleach kills mold, soap might work, research before you clean it.


    My pool is tens years old. As far I know it has never been acid
    washed.

    Draining and cleaning will give me a chance to inspect and repair any
    damage.....
    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #14
  15. Oren

    Calab Guest

    > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:13:29 -0700 (PDT), ransley
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> My neighbor had to fill in his pool , he said over years of cleaning
    >> with acid the drain leaked and the pool would not hold water anymore,
    >> bleach kills mold, soap might work, research before you clean it.

    >
    > My pool is tens years old. As far I know it has never been acid
    > washed.
    >
    > Draining and cleaning will give me a chance to inspect and repair any
    > damage.....


    Also be aware that draining a pool puts a whole bunch of new stresses
    on it. Might want to Google it before draining.

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  16. Oren

    Oren Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:00:37 GMT, Calab <> wrote:

    >> My pool is tens years old. As far I know it has never been acid
    >> washed.
    >>
    >> Draining and cleaning will give me a chance to inspect and repair any
    >> damage.....

    >

    Directed to my reply...

    >Also be aware that draining a pool puts a whole bunch of new stresses
    >on it. Might want to Google it before draining.


    Yes. I don't have a water table problem. My pool should not float out
    of the ground. Good point!
    Oren, Apr 21, 2008
    #16
  17. Calab <> wrote:

    >Also be aware that draining a pool puts a whole bunch of new stresses
    >on it. Might want to Google it before draining.


    Especially if the ground is clay or has a high water table... Pop goes the
    weasel...
    Robert Neville, Apr 21, 2008
    #17
  18. Oren

    Phisherman Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:45:26 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    >On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:42:37 -0400, Phisherman <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:42:27 -0700, Oren <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> 2: Muriatic Acid: same questions, basically:
    >>>>
    >>>> ? ?How much, for how long, etc.
    >>>>
    >>>> ? ?Dangers?
    >>>
    >>>Drained Pool (pending)!
    >>>
    >>>How or what can I use to neutralize Muriatic acid/water pool ?
    >>>
    >>>I plan to acid wash the in ground pool walls. While I'm busy there
    >>>(walls) the acid wash will pool at the deep end of the pool.
    >>>
    >>>I would like to toss/pour something into the puddle that would
    >>>neutralize acid; until I can pump it out.
    >>>
    >>>Thanks!!
    >>>
    >>>Oren

    >>
    >>Household ammonia

    >
    >I haven't read about using ammonia! Got a link?



    No link (chemistry class). But, if you should add too much ammonia
    there won't be a problem, plus it is cheap. The ammonia reacts with
    HCl and produces a salt. You will get a (harmless) white smoke if
    both liquids are close to each other. Properly dispose of any excess
    muriatic acid--you really don't want this stuff laying around.
    Phisherman, Apr 22, 2008
    #18
  19. Oren

    dadiOH Guest

    Oren wrote:

    > My acid wash will already be diluted (1 part acid to 4-6 parts water).


    Be sure to add the acid TO the water, not water to acid. Wrong way =
    violent bubbling/splashing and is dangerous.

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    dadiOH, Apr 22, 2008
    #19
  20. Oren

    ransley Guest

    On Apr 21, 7:22 pm, Norminn <> wrote:
    > dadiOH wrote:
    > >Oren wrote:

    >
    > >>My acid wash will already be diluted (1 part acid to 4-6 parts water).

    >
    > >Be sure to add the acid TO the water, not water to acid.  Wrong way =
    > >violent bubbling/splashing and is dangerous.

    >
    > Reminds me of highschool chemistry class.


    Muriatic does not react to water violently, so I would take the
    previous posters Bull Shit here to bull shit, Muriatic FUMES,
    Muriatic eats metal pipe. It wont react to added water as sulfuric
    will, I use Muriatic, maybe even tomorrow AM to clean stone.
    ransley, Apr 22, 2008
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