Installing flat screen TV over gas fireplace - power and cable questions

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  1. I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV - that's where the current
    wall socket power outlet is, too. I can't see getting over horizontally
    from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    vertical studs behind the sheetrock.

    Any ideas, besides calling a professional?

    Thanks!
     
    AngryOldWhiteGuy, Sep 12, 2011
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  2. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    RBM Guest

    Re: Installing flat screen TV over gas fireplace - power and cablequestions

    On 9/11/2011 9:01 PM, AngryOldWhiteGuy wrote:
    > I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    > a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    > the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    > I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    > wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    > feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV - that's where the current
    > wall socket power outlet is, too. I can't see getting over horizontally
    > from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    > vertical studs behind the sheetrock.
    >
    > Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >
    > Thanks!


    You need to get a game plan . You have to run a cable for power to a
    location behind the tv, but in many cases the coax cable goes to your
    cable box not directly to the tv. Depending upon your setup, you'd run
    HDMI, composite, or component cables from your cable box, dvd, vcr, dvr,
    etc. to the TV
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
    RBM, Sep 12, 2011
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    Re: Installing flat screen TV over gas fireplace - power and cablequestions

    AngryOldWhiteGuy wrote:
    > I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    > a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    > the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    > I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    > wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    > feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV - that's where the current
    > wall socket power outlet is, too. I can't see getting over horizontally
    > from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    > vertical studs behind the sheetrock.
    >
    > Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    >
    >

    Hmmm.
    I don't understand mounting TV high. Best watching TV position is when
    viewed little lower than eye level.
    >
     
    Tony Hwang, Sep 12, 2011
    #3
  4. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Bob F Guest

    AngryOldWhiteGuy wrote:
    > I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be
    > mounted on a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace
    > with an insert for the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional
    > all brick fireplace - what I'm wondering about is how to hide the
    > power and cable lines behind the wall - the current cable line comes
    > in through the outside wall about 5 - 6 feet over from where I wanna
    > mount the new TV - that's where the current wall socket power outlet
    > is, too. I can't see getting over horizontally from the current
    > locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the vertical
    > studs behind the sheetrock.
    > Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >


    I'd use a 6' flex drill bit.
     
    Bob F, Sep 12, 2011
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  5. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Guest

    On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:01:42 -0500, "AngryOldWhiteGuy"
    <AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com> wrote:

    >I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    >a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    >the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    >I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    >wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    >feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV - that's where the current
    >wall socket power outlet is, too. I can't see getting over horizontally
    >from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    >vertical studs behind the sheetrock.
    >
    >Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >
    >Thanks!
    >


    Heat is the biggest destroyer of modern electronics. Thats why they
    put large heat sinks and fans in things like tv sets, computers, etc.
    Even a small fireplace will pump the heat into that tv, and will
    greatly shorten the life of the tv, as well as possibly warping
    plastic on the case or even the screen. What you want to do is just
    plain stupid. You have other walls to use, put it ANYWHERE ELSE. NOT
    above the fireplace.

    After you find another place for the tv, look up "wiremold" on the
    internet or go to an electrical supply house to buy some. It comes in
    plastic or metal, use what suits your fancy.
     
    , Sep 12, 2011
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  6. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    George Guest

    Re: Installing flat screen TV over gas fireplace - power and cablequestions

    On 9/11/2011 10:08 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
    > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:40:03 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "AngryOldWhiteGuy"<AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com> wrote
    >> in message news:j4jllr$f49$...
    >>> I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted
    >>> on a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert
    >>> for the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace -
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Sure, that's easy. What you do is put the TV on a stand or another wall
    >> where it can be put lower and be more comfortable to watch. I'm not sure
    >> where the over fireplace thing got started, but it is a dumb place in most
    >> houses.

    >
    > Speaking of which, I've now got this in boxes sitting in the living
    > room.
    > http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garde...ce-with-Remote/3506931/product.html?cid=95138
    >
    > I finally caved to the wife.
    > I'm getting rid of the huge entertainment center that was on that
    > wall.
    > We'll see how that monster gets picked up from the curb.
    > That was her idea too. I never liked it.
    > And I don't like fireplaces, just peace.
    > Don't even like real fireplaces unless it's in a northern Canadian
    > lodge and I've been fishing in the cold all day and I can warm up with
    > a drink in my hand.
    > But that's somebody else's fireplace anyway.
    > This one isn't even real, so I like it less.
    > Only reason I caved is because I can get rid of the entertainment
    > center.
    > But if we want a big TV in the living room, it has to hang on the wall
    > over that "fireplace."
    > No other place that works in our small house.
    > I think that's why they get hung over a fireplace,
    > Just not enough room for everything.
    >
    > --Vic
    >
    > --Vic
    >
    >
    >

    As Ed suggested why not a stand? Flat panels are pretty thin. Its not
    like trying to accommodate a huge CRT TV.

    One of the main reasons for keeping it below horizontal line of site is
    that human eyes don't wet properly when looking at a higher angle.
     
    George, Sep 12, 2011
    #6

  7. > I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted
    > on
    > a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    > the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace -
    > what I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind
    > the wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about
    > 5 - 6 feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV - that's where the
    > current wall socket power outlet is, too. I can't see getting over
    > horizontally from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross
    > through the vertical studs behind the sheetrock.
    >
    > Any ideas, besides calling a professional?




    *I've done several of these installations. Where there is no basement or
    attic access I cut a 5" wide groove in the drywall using my 45 degree angle
    cut technique. The groove extends from above or below the existing
    electrical receptacle and cable locations over to the side of the fireplace.
    I then drill holes in each wall stud to pull the wires through. From the
    side of the fireplace cut-out I usually snake the wires up the wall and if
    necessary cut a groove to get to the desired location behind the TV.
     
    John Grabowski, Sep 12, 2011
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  8. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    bob haller Guest

    > > This one isn't even real, so I like it less.
    > Only reason I caved is because I can get rid of the entertainment
    > center.


    put new tv where entertainment center was.

    to dispose of entrtainment center break it up they arent very strong.

    remove the back and a few screws, push the entre thing over and break
    it up.

    besides it was most likely assembled on site, so you cant get it
    assembled thru doors..
     
    bob haller, Sep 12, 2011
    #8
  9. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Bob F Guest

    Vic Smith wrote:
    > I finally caved to the wife.
    > I'm getting rid of the huge entertainment center that was on that
    > wall.
    > We'll see how that monster gets picked up from the curb.
    > That was her idea too. I never liked it.
    > And I don't like fireplaces, just peace.
    > Don't even like real fireplaces unless it's in a northern Canadian
    > lodge and I've been fishing in the cold all day and I can warm up with
    > a drink in my hand.
    > But that's somebody else's fireplace anyway.
    > This one isn't even real, so I like it less.
    > Only reason I caved is because I can get rid of the entertainment
    > center.
    > But if we want a big TV in the living room, it has to hang on the wall
    > over that "fireplace."
    > No other place that works in our small house.
    > I think that's why they get hung over a fireplace,
    > Just not enough room for everything.


    Put it in front of the fireplace, and get a DVD of a burning fireplace. Or, burn
    a fire and make your own video to match what you have.
     
    Bob F, Sep 12, 2011
    #9
  10. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Bob F Guest

    Vic Smith wrote:
    > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:22:28 -0700, "Bob F" <>
    > wrote:
    >>
    >> Put it in front of the fireplace, and get a DVD of a burning
    >> fireplace. Or, burn a fire and make your own video to match what you
    >> have.
    >>

    >
    > I tried that with a VHS of fish when my wife wanted aquariums.
    > Didn't work.
    > I've got an empty 55 gallon tank, an empty 12, and an empty 6 sitting
    > in the basement. Plus all the other gear.
    > The fish kick lasted about 5 years.
    >


    As long as she cleaned the tank......
     
    Bob F, Sep 12, 2011
    #10
  11. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Ron Guest

    On Sep 12, 12:20 am, wrote:
    > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:01:42 -0500, "AngryOldWhiteGuy"
    >
    > <AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com> wrote:
    > >I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    > >a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    > >the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    > >I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    > >wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    > >feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV  - that's where the current
    > >wall socket power outlet is, too.  I can't see getting over horizontally
    > >from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    > >vertical studs behind the sheetrock.

    >
    > >Any ideas, besides calling a professional?

    >
    > >Thanks!

    >
    > Heat is the biggest destroyer of modern electronics.  Thats why they
    > put large heat sinks and fans in things like tv sets, computers, etc.
    > Even a small fireplace will pump the heat into that tv, and will
    > greatly shorten the life of the tv, as well as possibly warping
    > plastic on the case or even the screen.  What you want to do is just
    > plain stupid.  You have other walls to use, put it ANYWHERE ELSE.  NOT
    > above the fireplace.


    Not that *I* would put a TV over my fireplace, but many people do it.
    Do you think this company makes their customers sign waivers before
    installation?

    http://hdinstallers.com/fireplacetvinstallation.html

    The candles on my fireplace mantel have never melted, so it doesn't
    get that hot above *my* fireplace.

    And just for the hell of it, I placed a digital thermometer just above
    my plasma TV and it is putting out 95 degrees. If I tape the
    thermometer to one of the main heat vents it climbs to 105 degrees.
     
    Ron, Sep 13, 2011
    #11
  12. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Guest

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Ron <>
    wrote:

    >On Sep 12, 12:20 am, wrote:
    >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:01:42 -0500, "AngryOldWhiteGuy"
    >>
    >> <AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com> wrote:
    >> >I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    >> >a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    >> >the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    >> >I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    >> >wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    >> >feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV  - that's where the current
    >> >wall socket power outlet is, too.  I can't see getting over horizontally
    >> >from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    >> >vertical studs behind the sheetrock.

    >>
    >> >Any ideas, besides calling a professional?

    >>
    >> >Thanks!

    >>
    >> Heat is the biggest destroyer of modern electronics.  Thats why they
    >> put large heat sinks and fans in things like tv sets, computers, etc.
    >> Even a small fireplace will pump the heat into that tv, and will
    >> greatly shorten the life of the tv, as well as possibly warping
    >> plastic on the case or even the screen.  What you want to do is just
    >> plain stupid.  You have other walls to use, put it ANYWHERE ELSE.  NOT
    >> above the fireplace.

    >
    >Not that *I* would put a TV over my fireplace, but many people do it.
    >Do you think this company makes their customers sign waivers before
    >installation?
    >
    >http://hdinstallers.com/fireplacetvinstallation.html
    >
    >The candles on my fireplace mantel have never melted, so it doesn't
    >get that hot above *my* fireplace.
    >
    >And just for the hell of it, I placed a digital thermometer just above
    >my plasma TV and it is putting out 95 degrees. If I tape the
    >thermometer to one of the main heat vents it climbs to 105 degrees.



    It all depends on the fireplace design and all of that, but it still
    seems rather risky. Modern electronics would likely last forever if
    it was not for heat causing failure. I'd rate heat as the #1 cause.
    The other things are lightning and power surges.
     
    , Sep 13, 2011
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  13. On Sep 11, 9:01 pm, "AngryOldWhiteGuy"
    <AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com> wrote:
    > I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mountedon
    > a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    > the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    > I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    > wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 -6
    > feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV  - that's where the current
    > wall socket power outlet is, too.  I can't see getting over horizontally
    > from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    > vertical studs behind the sheetrock.
    >
    > Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >
    > Thanks!


    If your house/chimney is like mine, the chimney is boxed in with
    framing on the exterior of the house with plenty of room around the
    chimney. I also have a basement. Drill from the inside drywall into
    the cavity that surrounds your metal chimney. Be VERY careful not to
    drill into the chimney. Access the cavity by removing siding and
    cutting thru OSB a large enough panel to get to the wires that will
    protude thru the wall. Make this access panel away from the street
    side if possible. Install outlet with squeeze box. Run wires down
    cavity into basement and then to the place that will house all other
    equipment and electric. Replace panel/siding on chimney cavity. Hook
    it all up and you're good to go.

    Hank
     
    Hustlin' Hank, Sep 14, 2011
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  14. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Guest

    On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:40:14 -0400, aemeijers <> wrote:

    >On 9/14/2011 7:16 AM, Hustlin' Hank wrote:
    >> On Sep 11, 9:01 pm, "AngryOldWhiteGuy"
    >> <AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com> wrote:
    >>> I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    >>> a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insert for
    >>> the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    >>> I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    >>> wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about 5 - 6
    >>> feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV - that's where the current
    >>> wall socket power outlet is, too. I can't see getting over horizontally
    >>> from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    >>> vertical studs behind the sheetrock.
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas, besides calling a professional?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks!

    >>
    >> If your house/chimney is like mine, the chimney is boxed in with
    >> framing on the exterior of the house with plenty of room around the
    >> chimney. I also have a basement. Drill from the inside drywall into
    >> the cavity that surrounds your metal chimney. Be VERY careful not to
    >> drill into the chimney. Access the cavity by removing siding and
    >> cutting thru OSB a large enough panel to get to the wires that will
    >> protude thru the wall. Make this access panel away from the street
    >> side if possible. Install outlet with squeeze box. Run wires down
    >> cavity into basement and then to the place that will house all other
    >> equipment and electric. Replace panel/siding on chimney cavity. Hook
    >> it all up and you're good to go.
    >>
    >> Hank

    >
    >Note that you need plenum-rated wiring if you do that. Even the fancy
    >double-layer metal chimney stuff fails at times, or segments become
    >unhooked if you live in earthquake country.
    >
    >Personally, I still think it is a lousy place to put a TV, both
    >ergonomically and TV-lifespan wise.


    Agreed! My wife wanted to put the TV above our gas fireplace. We'd have to
    have hospital beds in the living room to see it, and the heat is a huge deal.
    It's a plasma set, which generates enough heat on its own. I needs no help.

    The top of a display should be just above eye level (about 30% above) and well
    away from heat sources.
     
    , Sep 14, 2011
    #14
  15. AngryOldWhiteGuy

    Guest

    On Sep 14, 5:51 pm, ""
    <> wrote:
    > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:40:14 -0400, aemeijers <> wrote:
    > >On 9/14/2011 7:16 AM, Hustlin' Hank wrote:
    > >> On Sep 11, 9:01 pm, "AngryOldWhiteGuy"
    > >> <AngryOldWhiteGuy@i_am_a_minority_too_dammit.com>  wrote:
    > >>> I'm OK with how to wall mount a flat screen TV - this one will be mounted on
    > >>> a wall over the gas fireplace - it's a small fireplace with an insertfor
    > >>> the firebox and a metal flue - not a traditional all brick fireplace - what
    > >>> I'm wondering about is how to hide the power and cable lines behind the
    > >>> wall - the current cable line comes in through the outside wall about5 - 6
    > >>> feet over from where I wanna mount the new TV  - that's where the current
    > >>> wall socket power outlet is, too.  I can't see getting over horizontally
    > >>> from the current locations to the new TV - I'd have to cross through the
    > >>> vertical studs behind the sheetrock.

    >
    > >>> Any ideas, besides calling a professional?

    >
    > >>> Thanks!

    >
    > >> If your house/chimney is like mine, the chimney is boxed in with
    > >> framing on the exterior of the house with plenty of room around the
    > >> chimney. I also have a basement. Drill from the inside drywall into
    > >> the cavity that surrounds your metal chimney. Be VERY careful not to
    > >> drill into the chimney. Access the cavity by removing siding and
    > >> cutting thru OSB a large enough panel to get to the wires that will
    > >> protude thru the wall. Make this access panel away from the street
    > >> side if possible. Install outlet with squeeze box. Run wires down
    > >> cavity into basement and then to the place that will house all other
    > >> equipment and electric.  Replace panel/siding on chimney cavity. Hook
    > >> it all up and you're good to go.

    >
    > >> Hank

    >
    > >Note that you need plenum-rated wiring if you do that.  Even the fancy
    > >double-layer metal chimney stuff fails at times, or segments become
    > >unhooked if you live in earthquake country.

    >
    > >Personally, I still think it is a lousy place to put a TV, both
    > >ergonomically and TV-lifespan wise.

    >
    > Agreed!  My wife wanted to put the TV above our gas fireplace.  We'd have to
    > have hospital beds in the living room to see it, and the heat is a huge deal.
    > It's a plasma set, which generates enough heat on its own.  I needs no help.
    >
    > The top of a display should be just above eye level (about 30% above) andwell
    > away from heat sources.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I think the idea of having a TV over the fireplace seems like
    a good one until you look into it more. It does look good
    up there when you walk into the room. And it gets it totally
    out of the way. But, as others have pointed out, the downside
    is that I think it sucks for viewing angle. When you're seated
    or laying down on a sofa the preferred position has the TV
    located on a short stand on the floor.

    If he decides to go the fireplace route, here's what I would
    do. I'd go get thermometer. Harbor freight has a nice
    one that has a probe on the end of about 7 ft of wire so
    you can put the probe anywhere. I recently used it where
    the issue was how close to the wall you can mount a
    TV with there still being sufficient air flow. I'd do some
    experimenting to see what the temp is above the fireplace.
    It might be perfectly fine.

    As for routing the wires, it sounds like the easiest solution
    is to just bite the bullet and make some holes in the
    drywall as needed to do the routing.
     
    , Sep 15, 2011
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