How do you "tune up" a hard-to-start Craftsman 18" chainsaw

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  1. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?

    Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    the string.

    The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    chainsaw?).

    Anyway, I'm stuck with it.

    I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    STILL hard to start.

    Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    often than not, it does not start.

    I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me to
    tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.

    Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
     
    SF Man, Aug 19, 2010
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  2. SF Man

    ransley Guest

    On Aug 19, 2:57 pm, SF Man <> wrote:
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
    >
    > Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    > chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    > I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    > chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    > the string.
    >
    > The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    > only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    > won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    > runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    > start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    > I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    > chainsaw?).  
    >
    > Anyway, I'm stuck with it.
    >
    > I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    > newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    > STILL hard to start.
    >
    > Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    > the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    > to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    > often than not, it does not start.
    >
    > I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me to
    > tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.
    >
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?


    I remove the screen spark arrestors on the muffler outlet and it
    helps, but leaving any gas in it for a few months can gum up a carb,
    if its under warranty why mess with it , A quick search and I see it
    has high reviews, dont you have a manual that shows carb settings,
    sears online should have the manual then clean the carb.
     
    ransley, Aug 19, 2010
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  3. SF Man

    Roy Guest

    On Aug 19, 1:57 pm, SF Man <> wrote:
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
    >
    > Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    > chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    > I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    > chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    > the string.
    >
    > The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    > only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    > won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    > runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    > start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    > I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    > chainsaw?).  
    >
    > Anyway, I'm stuck with it.
    >
    > I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    > newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    > STILL hard to start.
    >
    > Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    > the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    > to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    > often than not, it does not start.
    >
    > I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me to
    > tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.
    >
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?


    ==
    The chainsaw is probably made by Poulon (mine is). Try them...they
    have operator's manual for download if you could quote a similar model
    number,

    ==
     
    Roy, Aug 19, 2010
    #3
  4. SF Man

    Roy Guest

    On Aug 19, 1:57 pm, SF Man <> wrote:
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
    >
    > Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    > chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    > I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    > chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    > the string.
    >
    > The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    > only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    > won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    > runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    > start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    > I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    > chainsaw?).  
    >
    > Anyway, I'm stuck with it.
    >
    > I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    > newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    > STILL hard to start.
    >
    > Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    > the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    > to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    > often than not, it does not start.
    >
    > I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me to
    > tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.
    >
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?


    ==
    From fixya.com

    Try removing the fuel cap for a moment, then try restart. If ok, check
    the fuel vent for plugging. Check the fuel filter for plugging.
    Inspect the fuel lines for decay or other damage. Check for spark when
    it stops--it may be the ignition module failing when hot. Check for
    sawdust and dirt plugging the ventilation system--blow it out with
    compressed air. Does the engine 4-stroke at speed when not cutting,
    but does 2-stroke when cutting? Make sure the chain is being oiled
    while running. Hope this helps!

    note: fuel vent is the little hole in the cap. If this hole is
    completely plugged the motor won't run or will run erratically.

    ==
     
    Roy, Aug 19, 2010
    #4
  5. SF Man

    Roy Guest

    On Aug 19, 3:42 pm, Roy <> wrote:
    > On Aug 19, 1:57 pm, SF Man <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?

    >
    > > Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    > > chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    > > I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    > > chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    > > the string.

    >
    > > The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    > > only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    > > won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    > > runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    > > start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    > > I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    > > chainsaw?).  

    >
    > > Anyway, I'm stuck with it.

    >
    > > I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    > > newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    > > STILL hard to start.

    >
    > > Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    > > the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    > > to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    > > often than not, it does not start.

    >
    > > I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me to
    > > tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.

    >
    > > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?

    >
    > ==
    > The chainsaw is probably made by Poulon (mine is). Try them...they
    > have operator's manual for download if you could quote a similar model
    > number,
    >
    > ==


    Whoops...that should be Poulan...a spellin' error.
    ==
     
    Roy, Aug 19, 2010
    #5
  6. On Aug 19, 3:57 pm, SF Man <> wrote:
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
    >
    > Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    > chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    > I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    > chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    > the string.
    >
    > The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    > only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    > won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    > runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    > start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    > I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    > chainsaw?).  
    >
    > Anyway, I'm stuck with it.
    >
    > I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    > newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    > STILL hard to start.
    >
    > Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    > the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    > to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    > often than not, it does not start.
    >
    > I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me to
    > tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.
    >
    > Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    > 358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?


    It sounds like you are flooding it when you try to start it. Try this
    way.....first take out the plug and let it sit overnight to make sure
    ther isn't any gas in cylinder. The next day put the plug back in and
    only push the primer bulb 2-3 times at most. Turn choke to full. If it
    don't start within 3 pulls, take the choke off, hold the throttle wide
    open and pull a few more times. If it stil doesn't start, take it to
    someone who knows how to adjust your carb. Some carbs need a special
    tool anyway. If you want to try to adjust it and the stops are not on
    it, turn both screws clockwise until they stop, then back them both
    out about 1 1/4 turn, then get it running and adjust both at full
    speed and idle.

    Hank
     
    Hustlin' Hank, Aug 19, 2010
    #6
  7. The mush button for the gas is the primer. Try it x2 pushes, instead
    of six. Sounds like you're flooding the hell out of it.

    Look for small slotted screw that turns up the idle (I'm no help to
    say where that might be).

    Mix a galon of brand new gas. Use name brand (Mobil, Exxon, Hess, BP)
    not the cheap brands like Road Apple Quick Fill.

    Make sure it's not a Champion brand plug. they had a run of defects.
    I've bought Autolite, or NGK. If it fails to start, look at the spark
    plug. Wet? Flooded. My gut sense is that you're flooding the system
    with too much gas. "won't start till the next day" is the clue. Gives
    the gas a chance to dry out.

    --
    Christopher A. Young
    Learn more about Jesus
    www.lds.org
    ..


    "SF Man" <> wrote in message
    news:i4k2bl$ddp$...

    Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears
    Craftsman
    358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?

    Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18"
    40cc
    chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when
    new,
    I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the
    Craftsman
    chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of
    pulling
    the string.

    The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've
    got
    only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it
    now
    won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it
    only
    runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews
    because
    I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California
    low-smog
    chainsaw?).

    Anyway, I'm stuck with it.

    I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put
    a
    newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but
    it's
    STILL hard to start.

    Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I
    press
    the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the
    choke
    to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and,
    more
    often than not, it does not start.

    I called Sears' 800 number but they only sell parts; the guy told me
    to
    tune the carbeurator but I don't know what that procedure is.

    Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears
    Craftsman
    358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
     
    Stormin Mormon, Aug 20, 2010
    #7
  8. SF Man

    Oren Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:57:45 -0700, SF Man <>
    wrote:

    >
    >Do you know where to find the tune-up procedure for the Sears Craftsman
    >358.351.800 18 inch chain saw?
    >
    >Ever since it was new, my two-stroke Sears Craftsman 358351.800 18" 40cc
    >chain saw has been miserable to start and even worse to run. Even when new,
    >I could never release my finger on the trigger for fear of the Craftsman
    >chainsaw conking out and not restarting for another 20 minutes of pulling
    >the string.
    >
    >The Sears Craftsman 358351 chain saw is now about a year old, and I've got
    >only about 3 or 4 hours on it (a few tanks of gas and bar oil) but it now
    >won't even start anymore except when left overnight. Even then, it only
    >runs until I lift my finger off the trigger and it conks out and won't
    >start again. I'm so sorry I didn't read Craftsman chain saw reviews because
    >I'm sure this is a design flaw (maybe because it's a California low-smog
    >chainsaw?).
    >
    >Anyway, I'm stuck with it.
    >
    >I replaced the Champion RCJ7Y spark plug, the felt air filter, and put a
    >newly bought newly mixed 40:1 gasoline:eek:il mixture in the tank; but it's
    >STILL hard to start.


    Did you check the plug gap and set it? I'm not a fan of plugs that
    are pre-gapped. Male sure the plug has the proper heat range.
    >
    >Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    >the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    >to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    >often than not, it does not start.
    >


    Follow the advise given here already about adjusting the carb
    jet/screws. I tend to adjust them while the engine is running -- tune
    by ear.

    If the screws are bottomed-out, usually back it off to 1.25 - 1.5
    turns out. That will get you in the ball park.

    Pierce the gas cap vent hole with a paper clip so make sure the hole
    is open and vents the fuel tank.
     
    Oren, Aug 20, 2010
    #8
  9. SF Man

    Oren Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:50:07 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
    <cayoung##spamblock**@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Make sure it's not a Champion brand plug. they had a run of defects.


    I know that happened 30 years ago. That dead horse has bruises?

    Is there the same issue? Now, today...
     
    Oren, Aug 20, 2010
    #9
  10. SF Man

    jm Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:34:04 -0700, Oren wrote:
    > If the screws are bottomed-out, usually back it off to
    > 1.25 - 1.5 turns


    Your problem may be no spark. Check the coils to see if they're putting
    out enough voltage.
     
    jm, Aug 21, 2010
    #10
  11. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:36:49 +0000 (UTC), jm wrote:

    > Your problem may be no spark. Check the coils to see if they're putting
    > out enough voltage.


    What's the best way to check if there is spark?
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #11
  12. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:
    > The chainsaw is probably made by Poulan


    I went to Ace Hardware today and saw some Poulan chain saws ... and you're
    right I think. The motor looks pretty similar, even down to the muffler and
    choke and on/off switch arrangement.

    I'll see if Poulan has a tune up procedure.
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #12
  13. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:

    > Check the fuel filter for plugging.
    > Inspect the fuel lines for decay or other damage.


    Fuel filter?

    I didn't know a 2-stroke chain saw has a fuel filter. Gotta look for that.

    I did clean the whole thing out with compressed air to no avail. Wouldn't
    even start this morning. Something must have happened as I couldn't start
    it at all.
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #13
  14. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:28:41 -0700 (PDT), Hustlin' Hank wrote:
    >> Following owners manual instructions, I set the choke to full on, I press
    >> the accelerator pump 6x, I pull the starter cord 5 times, I set the choke
    >> to 1/2 position, I pull the starter cord a half dozen more times, and, more
    >> often than not, it does not start.


    > It sounds like you are flooding it when you try to start it.


    I understand that 6x is a lot of accelerator pump but it says so in
    multiple spots on the chain saw covers. The first thing the Sears 800
    technical support asked is whether I pressed the bulb six times before
    doing anything else.

    Maybe it's a California thing; but 6x is the recommended number.

    I'm beginning to wonder if I lost spark ... since it has gas and air ...

    Is there a way to tell if it has a spark?
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #14
  15. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:50:07 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

    > The mush button for the gas is the primer. Try it x2 pushes, instead
    > of six. Sounds like you're flooding the hell out of it.


    It would NEVER start with just 2x. The owners manual says to use 6x; the
    bulb has a 6x embossed just below it; and the complex starting instructions
    on the sticker on the side say 6x. Even when new, it barely started with
    6x. It took more like 8x to 10x.

    Dunno if it's a California thing or not but it just never ran well.

    From what people say, I either need to mess with the screws on the carb or
    I need to find why (if) it doesn't have spark.

    I can easily mess with the screws (after finding the procedure somewhere)
    .... but how do I tell if it doesn't have spark?
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #15
  16. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:50:07 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

    > Make sure it's not a Champion brand plug. they had a run of defects.
    > I've bought Autolite, or NGK. If it fails to start, look at the spark
    > plug. Wet? Flooded.


    Champion RCJ7Y. None of the stores carried that but they told me a Champion
    CJ7Y (without the R) is the same thing so that's what I put in there.

    The plug, when pulled out hot, is dry as a bone so I'm pretty sure flooding
    isn't the culprit. I'm beginning to suspect either the plugged fuel filter
    (I didn't know chain saws HAD a fuel filter) or the spark coils are bad.

    Don't know how to test the coils though.
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #16
  17. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:34:04 -0700, Oren wrote:

    > Did you check the plug gap and set it? I'm not a fan of plugs that
    > are pre-gapped. Male sure the plug has the proper heat range.


    The plug went in correctly. The only difference was I couldn't find the
    Champion RCJ7Y so I had to put in a CJ7Y.

    Do you think it matters?

    The store guys said it wouldn't.
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #17
  18. SF Man

    SF Man Guest

    On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:48:36 GMT, notbob wrote:

    > Doesn't the Craftsman lifetime gaurantee apply to motorized tools?


    AFAIK, the "lifetime guarantee" only applies to tools sans moving parts
    (for the most part).

    So, anything with a motor isn't covered.
     
    SF Man, Aug 21, 2010
    #18
  19. SF Man wrote:
    > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 23:48:36 GMT, notbob wrote:
    >
    >> Doesn't the Craftsman lifetime gaurantee apply to motorized tools?

    >
    > AFAIK, the "lifetime guarantee" only applies to tools sans moving parts
    > (for the most part).
    >
    > So, anything with a motor isn't covered.


    You will have to ground the spark plug which isn't easy with all the
    plastic on today's chainsaws. I'm assuming you have a good spark
    though. I imagine what you will find is the typical set to run as lean
    as possible until it's out of warranty small engine. They do this to
    pass emissions tests. The carbs aren't adjustable as they come from the
    factory, some you can pull the plastic stops off the mixture screw and
    get a little more fuel to them some don't have the adjustment screws
    anymore. You can buy a new carb cheap on e-bay. cheaper than buying a
    kit and trying to fix one. With a little luck it will have both low and
    high speed mixture screws and you can get the chainsaw running better
    than new. And the fuel lines turn to gum especially with gasohol, and
    it goes on and on...... If you do get a replacement carb be sure to get
    the right one for your model engine
    Unless you like messing with small engines it might be best to find
    someone that works on them to get it usable. They should know all the
    tricks. Ask around and find someone that fixes small engines part time
    or for a hobby otherwise it won't be cost effective.
     
    FatterDumber& Happier Moe, Aug 21, 2010
    #19
  20. It is hard for a zebra to change its spots (or some similar quote
    atributed to Al Gore.)

    --
    Christopher A. Young
    Learn more about Jesus
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    "Oren" <Oren@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:50:07 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
    <cayoung##spamblock**@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Make sure it's not a Champion brand plug. they had a run of defects.


    I know that happened 30 years ago. That dead horse has bruises?

    Is there the same issue? Now, today...
     
    Stormin Mormon, Aug 21, 2010
    #20
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