Best door reinforcement to prevent kick in?

Discussion in 'Misc DIY' started by The Wobulator, Jul 21, 2003.

  1. I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    the door jamb. Thanks.
    The Wobulator

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    The Wobulator, Jul 21, 2003
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  2. On 20 Jul 2003, The Wobulator wrote:

    > I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > the door jamb. Thanks.


    A motion sensor "porch light" (even if you don't have a porch)
    and any combination of loud/mean dog and/or semi-automatic hand
    gun (with proper training, of course.)

    HTH.

    --
    TP
     
    I-zheet M'drurz, Jul 21, 2003
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    TexasFireGuy Guest

    Take it from someone who has kicked in a lot of doors.........the most
    difficult door I've come up against was a heavy steel door with a
    reinforcing bar. By that I mean a bar that is placed in a brace on the floor
    and a brace under the knob. I had to find an alternate point of ingress
    because this sucker was tough.

    Short of replacing your wooden door you might try using a reinforcing bar
    and installing steel pegs (4 or 5) into the hinged side of the door that
    will "lock" into the jamb. (Imagine a doweled joint) That should make it
    pretty difficult to kick in.


    "The Wobulator" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > the door jamb. Thanks.
    > The Wobulator
    >
    > *Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*
     
    TexasFireGuy, Jul 21, 2003
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    spearfox Guest

    "TexasFireGuy" offers up:
    > Short of replacing your wooden door you might try using a reinforcing bar
    > and installing steel pegs (4 or 5) into the hinged side of the door that
    > will "lock" into the jamb. (Imagine a doweled joint) That should make it
    > pretty difficult to kick in.




    Replace the wooden door or put up a security storm door.
    I almost kicked a door in half , but the jamb gave way first.

    Something else to note.
    I remember living in a POS house for a while and I reinforced the lock area
    when I replaced the lock. After I was done, I gave it a few "bumps" with my
    shoulder and you could see the wall might actually give way. Inspect your
    structure.
     
    spearfox, Jul 21, 2003
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    ameijers Guest

    "The Wobulator" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > the door jamb. Thanks.
    > The Wobulator
    >
    > *Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*


    If it is a wood jamb, forget it. Adding a extended steel striker plate with
    long screws into the stud will help, but enough kicks (or the proper method
    of a prybar) can still shatter the jamb. About the only way to prevent entry
    is a jam stick under the knob, going down to a socket in the floor. (quite
    common in big cities), or a 2x4 in clips across the door. But that only
    helps when you are home, or have another more secure door to go in and out
    of. I presume your main worry is daytime breakins while you are at work?
    (been there, had that done to me, so I do sympathize.)

    Replacing with a steel door and steel frame is the proper solution, and I
    mean a Real Steel Door, not one of the wimpy steel-clad, which peel like a
    beer can.

    Do keep in mind that fire dept, ambulance, etc, need to be able to get
    through door in an emergency. Of course, they are not worried about being
    quiet during forced entry, and carry pointy things that would make burglars
    green with envy.

    Most local PDs, and your insurance company, are happy to do home security
    evaluations, and can recommend appropriate level of defense for where you
    live.

    aem sends...
     
    ameijers, Jul 21, 2003
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    wayne Guest

    this is what you want along with a steel door and good installation

    http://www.abus.com/eh/EHTP01.htm

    the bar goes all the way across the door so the stress is on the door jamb
    you can still lock it from the outside too which is the neat part..

    Putting out a large dog water bowl with a I love rotties door mat would help
    too!

    Wayne


    "The Wobulator" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > the door jamb. Thanks.
    > The Wobulator
    >
    > *Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*
     
    wayne, Jul 21, 2003
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    Tom J Guest

    "The Wobulator" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > the door jamb. Thanks.


    SO, you have no windows that are near the ground for them to go through?

    Tom J
     
    Tom J, Jul 21, 2003
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    TexasFireGuy Guest

    "Punch" <> wrote in message
    news:dnJSa.857$...
    >
    > "TexasFireGuy" <> wrote in message
    > news:hUHSa.96924$...
    > > Take it from someone who has kicked in a lot of doors.........the most
    > > difficult door I've come up against was a heavy steel door with a
    > > reinforcing bar. By that I mean a bar that is placed in a brace on the

    > floor
    > > and a brace under the knob.

    >
    > we had a guy selling this lock, that when turned slid a bolt in at the

    hinge
    > side and the knob side, it was heavy duty steel, gears etc....
    >
    > I didn't buy one but when the neighbours apartment burnt down the rumour
    > throughout the building was that it took 30mins to get in, he died !
    >
    > the frame of the door was steel /concrete.
    >
    > he had security bars on his windows, and it was the 9th floor.
    >
    > great lock!
    >
    > punch
    >


    That of course is the downside to reinforced doors. However, we've got
    these nifty little power saws that will make quick work of even a stainless
    steel door. It should not have taken 30 minutes to get through, even on the
    9th floor.
     
    TexasFireGuy, Jul 21, 2003
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    TexasFireGuy Guest

    By the way....it doesn't matter how tough your door is if your windows are
    accessible. And we can get through burglar bars fairly easily these days.

    "ameijers" <> wrote in message
    news:eCJSa.64939$...
    >
    > "The Wobulator" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > > being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > > duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > > is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > > the door jamb. Thanks.
    > > The Wobulator
    > >
    > > *Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*

    >
    > If it is a wood jamb, forget it. Adding a extended steel striker plate

    with
    > long screws into the stud will help, but enough kicks (or the proper

    method
    > of a prybar) can still shatter the jamb. About the only way to prevent

    entry
    > is a jam stick under the knob, going down to a socket in the floor. (quite
    > common in big cities), or a 2x4 in clips across the door. But that only
    > helps when you are home, or have another more secure door to go in and out
    > of. I presume your main worry is daytime breakins while you are at work?
    > (been there, had that done to me, so I do sympathize.)
    >
    > Replacing with a steel door and steel frame is the proper solution, and I
    > mean a Real Steel Door, not one of the wimpy steel-clad, which peel like a
    > beer can.
    >
    > Do keep in mind that fire dept, ambulance, etc, need to be able to get
    > through door in an emergency. Of course, they are not worried about being
    > quiet during forced entry, and carry pointy things that would make

    burglars
    > green with envy.
    >
    > Most local PDs, and your insurance company, are happy to do home security
    > evaluations, and can recommend appropriate level of defense for where you
    > live.
    >
    > aem sends...
    >
    >
    >
     
    TexasFireGuy, Jul 21, 2003
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    TexasFireGuy Guest

    Folks should also be aware that there is a tool called a jamb spreader. You
    can put all the locks you want on a door, but if the bolts are too short the
    spreader will make them obsolete.

    "meirman" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In alt.home.repair on Mon, 21 Jul 2003 01:48:22 GMT The Wobulator
    > <> posted:
    >
    > >I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    > >being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    > >duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    > >is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    > >the door jamb. Thanks.
    > >The Wobulator
    > >
    > >*Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*

    >
    > I forgot to mention my own house! The first summer I was here, I went
    > out to dinner with a friend, only gone from about 6 to 8 Sunday
    > evening. Come home and someone kicked in my front door. I went
    > inside and checked the basement, but I was afraid to go upstairs.
    >
    > Called the police and when he was in the basement, my girlfriend,
    > trying to be helpful, from the ground floor turned off the light in
    > the basement. There was a hatchet sitting on the table downstairs
    > too. He was interested in that. Then he went upstairs and said that
    > no one was there but it looked like he had been there for quite a
    > while. I checked and it was the way I left it.
    >
    > I didn't go to work the next day, and I repaired the door jamb with a
    > new plate with longer screws that reached the stud, metal covers
    > around the slam bolt and the dead bolt, to make prying a little
    > harder, neither of which accomplished much. And I finished installing
    > the burglar alarm (I'd been putting in door switches and sirens, but
    > hadn't gotten to the main thing yet.) Worked from 8AM to 8 or 9PM.
    >
    > Turns out the guy didn't take the new car radio, still in the box in
    > the basement, or the burglar alarm, still in boxes in the bedroom, or
    > anything.
    >
    > I think the dog next door, that woke me up every morning and kept me
    > from going to sleep every night. That barked constantly every moment
    > it was in the backyard of its townhouse. I think it barked and
    > scared him away!!!
    >
    > Meirman
    >
    > If emailing, please let me know whether
    > or not you are posting the same letter.
    >
    > Change domain to erols.com, if necessary.
     
    TexasFireGuy, Jul 21, 2003
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    RamblinOn Guest

    The Wobulator wrote:

    >I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    >being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    >duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    >is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    >the door jamb. Thanks.
    >The Wobulator
    >
    >*Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*
    >
    >

    Gee willickers! When you get that door installed, whatcha going to
    cover the windows with? Got 911 service in your neighborhood?
     
    RamblinOn, Jul 21, 2003
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  12. The Wobulator

    meirman Guest

    In alt.home.repair on Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:32:10 GMT "TexasFireGuy"
    <> posted:

    >Folks should also be aware that there is a tool called a jamb spreader. You
    >can put all the locks you want on a door, but if the bolts are too short the
    >spreader will make them obsolete.


    They sell an in-door deadbolt that is just a half or 3/4 inch longer
    than the regular one. Is that enough to make a difference?


    And by the way, the guy who kicked in my door didn't really damage the
    door, only the piece of wood the strike plate in the door jamb is
    screwed to, and the pine door jamb molding!




    >"meirman" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> In alt.home.repair on Mon, 21 Jul 2003 01:48:22 GMT The Wobulator
    >> <> posted:
    >>
    >> >I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    >> >being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    >> >duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    >> >is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    >> >the door jamb. Thanks.
    >> >The Wobulator
    >> >
    >> >*Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*

    >>
    >> I forgot to mention my own house! The first summer I was here, I went
    >> out to dinner with a friend, only gone from about 6 to 8 Sunday
    >> evening. Come home and someone kicked in my front door. I went
    >> inside and checked the basement, but I was afraid to go upstairs....


    Meirman

    If emailing, please let me know whether
    or not you are posting the same letter.

    Change domain to erols.com, if necessary.
     
    meirman, Jul 22, 2003
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    Punch Guest

    >
    > Putting out a large dog water bowl with a I love rotties door mat would

    help
    > too!


    funny you mention that, my friend has all the signs "beware of dog ", "guard
    dog on premise" etc..

    he also has a large chain, with a broken collar on it, it looks like the dog
    got away in the yard.

    punch
     
    Punch, Jul 22, 2003
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    Punch Guest

    > That of course is the downside to reinforced doors. However, we've got
    > these nifty little power saws that will make quick work of even a

    stainless
    > steel door. It should not have taken 30 minutes to get through, even on

    the
    > 9th floor.
    >
    >


    the time fram isan estimate, I believe the cops were first on the scene, the
    super didn't have the proper keys to the lock,

    and yes power saws do make short work of a door,
     
    Punch, Jul 22, 2003
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    Punch Guest

    "TexasFireGuy" <> wrote in message
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    > By the way....it doesn't matter how tough your door is if your windows are
    > accessible. And we can get through burglar bars fairly easily these days.


    bolt cutters or air tools? (jaws of life)

    Punch
     
    Punch, Jul 22, 2003
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  16. On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:00:56 -0400, RamblinOn
    <> wrote:

    >
    >
    >The Wobulator wrote:
    >
    >>I would like to reinforce my doors to prevent the possibility of them
    >>being kicked in by a scum bag thief. I've seen door edge guards, heavy
    >>duty strike plates with long screws and other contraptions. Which one
    >>is best? My doors have dead bolts but it wouldn't take much to break
    >>the door jamb. Thanks.
    >>The Wobulator
    >>
    >>*Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*
    >>
    >>

    >Gee willickers! When you get that door installed, whatcha going to
    >cover the windows with? Got 911 service in your neighborhood?


    I heard that scum bags preferred doors to windows cause they might get
    hurt by the broken glass.
    The Wobulator

    *Please REMOVE the obvious for my correct email address*
     
    The Wobulator, Jul 23, 2003
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    manwithtools

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    I can honestly say Steel Door Armor by far i use it and it worked when scum bags tried to kick my door in while my wife was home try them
    http://steeldoorarmor.com
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2012
    manwithtools, Jan 28, 2012
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